Prove you Exist.

[Francine]

What if little gremlins are in my computer circuitry sticking bits into the RAM prompting the monitor to display "your" supposed words only to me?

Gremlins only break your computer, they never have time to make it work.

 

[McBell]

Gremlins only break your computer, they never have time to make it work.

Based upon my personal experience I have to agree whole heartily.

 

[doppelganger]

Gremlins only break your computer, they never have time to make it work.

I'd say giving my computer false data would be breaking it.

 

[Willamena]

So to be sure you are not imagining things, you can go and ask someone else if s/he sees the post I typed

What if I'm imagining that other person, too?

 

[McBell]

Whenever I want you all I have to do is dreeeeeaaaaammmm

 

[Fluffy]

So to be sure you are not imagining things, you can go and ask someone else if s/he sees the post I typed

What if I am imagining them ?

 

[Francine]

I'd say giving my computer false data would be breaking it.

Yeah, I break my computer the same way every time I accidentally surf to a transcript of one of George W. Bush's speeches.

 

[McBell]

Yeah, I break my computer the same way every time I accidentally surf to a transcript of one of George W. Bush's speeches.

 

[doppelganger]

Yeah, I break my computer the same way every time I accidentally surf to a transcript of one of George W. Bush's speeches.

George W. Bush is what happens if you feed a "conservative" after midnight.

 

[Draka]

George W. Bush is what happens if you feed a "conservative" after midnight.

Is THAT what happened??? Goodness, I hope someone shut off the water that runs to the White House! :help:

 

[Kungfuzed]

What if I'm imagining that other person, too?

Are you really back or is it just my imagination?

 

[Francine]

George W. Bush is what happens if you feed a "conservative" after midnight.

If only Dubya was a conservative, we wouldn't have trillions in new debt. He would have extended the streak of three surplus budgets that we enjoyed in 1998, 1999, and 2000. Instead, we got a bridge to nowhere and a war against nothing.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

What is the purpose of this thread, some kind of off-track defense of the existence of god?

To have someone give a formal logical proof that anything exists. i thought I was pretty clear in that. Perhaps I thought that someone who calls themselves Logician could do that.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Flatulo ergo sum. I clear out whole pews, therefore I am.

That only shows that you are flatulant.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

This is probably one of the silliest arguments which is why we don't even bother with it in philosophy however the obvious answer without getting into great detail is, give me all your money if I don't exist I can't take it if you won't give it to me it means you think I exist.

It's not philosophy I want it's a formal logical argument I'm after.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Excellent idea! You're right; which aspect of the Self is Mr. Whitelinger interested in proving?

I actually asked for a formal logical argument that anything exists. I'm sure there is one out there i just couldn't google one.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Logic is a branch of philosophy. It is a system of axioms and laws that attempts to formulate a rigorous treatment of reason. Therefore, I don't understand what you mean by a formal logical argument that is not a philosophy nor a reason. Do you mean a syllogism?

Deductive logical arguments have three stages:

1. premises
2. inference
3. conclusion

A deductive logical argument always requires a number of core assumptions called premises.
Once the premises have been agreed, the argument proceeds via a step-by-step process called inference.

In inference, you start with one or more propositions which have been accepted; you then use those propositions to arrive at a new proposition.

Hopefully you will arrive at a proposition which is the conclusion of the argument - the result you are trying to prove.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I offered him Descartes classic syllogism. I have no idea what he wants, and neither does he I surmise. A syllogism is however, a deductive logical argument.

Regards,
Scott

Descartes committed a logical fallacy. When he said "I think, therefore, I am," he assumed the existence of what he was trying to prove.

 

[doppelganger]

Descartes committed a logical fallacy. When he said "I think, therefore, I am," he assumed the existence of what he was trying to prove.

He used a rhetorical tautology or circular argument. Nietzsche wrote a very useful explanation of this fallacy in DesCartes.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

There is no way that I can prove that I don't exist. Therefore I must exist.

That is a logical fallacy called "Argument from Ignorance." Arguments from ignorance infer that a proposition is true from the fact that it is not known to be false.