OnlineResearch
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What evidence do we have besides our Bibles that can prove that there is life after death?
I struggle with this whenever my question is in faith...
I struggle with this whenever my question is in faith...
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Proving Life After Death
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ayani
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i'm recalling this from Lee Strobel's book The Case for Christ.
Strobel was questioning what evidence we have that Jesus is risen from the dead. a scholar had gone over the Gospel narratives carefully with him, and gave good reasons (logical and historical) why we can believe that the tomb was empty, and that Jesus is alive. then he gave another interesting answer- he considered out loud the fact that many, many people have claimed to have personal encounters with the Lord Jesus.
we're not talking about an expected or hoped-for vision encouraged by a worshipful setting. but rather unexpected dreams, visions, and sometimes a meeting with Him in the flesh.
as Christians, we base our faith on His resurrection from the dead. this proves His divinity, His oneness with God, and His eternal nature. He is not simply a dead rabbi or philosopher, nor is He simply an exceptional moral teacher. He is the unique Son of God, and because He lives, we will live also.
i'd say the empty tomb and His own promises to all who would believe in Him are themselves compelling evidences for life after death.
Strobel was questioning what evidence we have that Jesus is risen from the dead. a scholar had gone over the Gospel narratives carefully with him, and gave good reasons (logical and historical) why we can believe that the tomb was empty, and that Jesus is alive. then he gave another interesting answer- he considered out loud the fact that many, many people have claimed to have personal encounters with the Lord Jesus.
we're not talking about an expected or hoped-for vision encouraged by a worshipful setting. but rather unexpected dreams, visions, and sometimes a meeting with Him in the flesh.
as Christians, we base our faith on His resurrection from the dead. this proves His divinity, His oneness with God, and His eternal nature. He is not simply a dead rabbi or philosopher, nor is He simply an exceptional moral teacher. He is the unique Son of God, and because He lives, we will live also.
i'd say the empty tomb and His own promises to all who would believe in Him are themselves compelling evidences for life after death.
herushura
Active Member
We Live and We Die, but i think our spirit lives on with our Offsprings, we made them in our image or genes, our parents made us in there image of them.
Our Offspring could create over thousands of other offsprings, some could be doctors healing people, for example Martin Luther King he wouldnt of dont the thing if there parent didnt gave birth to him. The Purpose of Life is Life itself. thats my philosophy
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Draka
Wonder Woman
Well, there are the conversations with the dead, but perhaps that's just me.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
I would compare this thinking to those who think that Elvis is alive.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
There is no empirical evidence, only hope.
Cordoba
Well-Known Member
Scientific Research in the field of NDEs (Near Death Experiences)
By showing that consciousness exists outside the human body during NDEs, researchers are proving that we humans are not formed of only a body, but we are made of body and soul
When the body dies, the soul survives and stays alive, proving there is life after death ....
By showing that consciousness exists outside the human body during NDEs, researchers are proving that we humans are not formed of only a body, but we are made of body and soul
When the body dies, the soul survives and stays alive, proving there is life after death ....
Kodanshi
StygnosticA
Life after death does not exist! How do we know this? One simple piece of evidence: memory. Neuroscience has mapped to a certain degree how our brains store memories. Structures of neurons themselves store long–term memories (a bit like a hard drive). When something damages these structures it damages the memories too. You can see this clearly with conditions like amnesia.
When death occurs it stops and therefore destroys the very same structures. In other words, death destroys all memories. Memories form a vital function, because without them we cannot recognise friends or family, or make decisions based on past experience.
(Of course this represents a brief explanation of an extremely complex process which you can research into further.)
We can expand this idea to the rest of the brain and body. For example, since death destroys the brain it also puts an end to decision–making processes, so we cannot do things like reason or think. Structures regulating reflexes, bodily control, all the senses, etc, also stop. Essentially nothing, no part of us, survives death. If a spirit remains (which I do not believe), it remains blind, deaf, unable to reason, unable to remember, unable to think, feel or do anything. In other words, completely incapable of doing, feeling, or existing in a manner which resembles life!
When death occurs it stops and therefore destroys the very same structures. In other words, death destroys all memories. Memories form a vital function, because without them we cannot recognise friends or family, or make decisions based on past experience.
(Of course this represents a brief explanation of an extremely complex process which you can research into further.)
We can expand this idea to the rest of the brain and body. For example, since death destroys the brain it also puts an end to decision–making processes, so we cannot do things like reason or think. Structures regulating reflexes, bodily control, all the senses, etc, also stop. Essentially nothing, no part of us, survives death. If a spirit remains (which I do not believe), it remains blind, deaf, unable to reason, unable to remember, unable to think, feel or do anything. In other words, completely incapable of doing, feeling, or existing in a manner which resembles life!
McBell
Unbound
Would you happen to have a link to this proof?
BucephalusBB
ABACABB
...and I know not everybody likes the analogy, but I can perfectly get an OS out of a computer and even implant it in another computer again. I can make that OS travel through the air towards another spot as well. (OS = Operating System)
The reason some people don't like that analogy is because it can imply that the OS can have free will in future or the soul does not have any..
Kodanshi
StygnosticA
I wish Id made a note of the source, but I recall reading an article online about how scientists could artificially induce the OOBE (out of body experience) sometimes reported by people during stressful times (like a major operation) by electrically stimulating certain parts of the brain. Ill have to try and find it online somewhere so I can link it.
EDIT. For example:
From this site: Brain stimulation sparks out-of-body experience
EDIT. For example:
From this site: Brain stimulation sparks out-of-body experience
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Cordoba
Well-Known Member
It's on-going research, not yet solid proof
You may wish to look at this page on research done in hospitals in Holland, and published in The Lancet in December 2001:
Dutch Study
In the UK, an experiment conducted by Southampton university researchers in the intensive care units of hospitals with patients in critical conditions suspected will suffer from a heart-attack, and possibly to be rescued from an NDE (some details are in the above page under the UK Study)
A cue card is to be placed in a high location above the bed of the patient in a place where no one would be able where no one in the room could see it, as it could only be seen from ceiling level looking down
PS: I just found a follow-up to the Southampton University research will take place in the UK & the US:
A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest patients.
Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body" experiences.
Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall looking down from the ceiling at medical staff. The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be seen from above.
To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible only from the ceiling.
Dr Sam Parnia, who is heading the study, said: "If you can demonstrate that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.
"It is unlikely that we will find many cases where this happens, but we have to be open-minded.
"And if no one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are illusions or false memories. "This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study."
BBC NEWS | Health | Study into near-death experiences
An interesing area of research to be monitored
All the best
DavyCrocket2003
Well-Known Member
I work with someone who's husband had cystic fibrosis. One night, after a particularly hairy surgery, he had a near death experience. That isn't quite accurate though. It is more like he died, and then came back to life. I have read the account he wrote about it and find it very powerful and compelling.
DavyCrocket2003
Well-Known Member
Yes, but would you think that if you had actually met him yourself? Guys, he's still around! Take some time to get to know him! Really. You'll never be the same once you do.