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Proving Life After Death
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Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
I think the only thing for sure is that we will find out that everybody got it wrong. Which would make me right by the way.
DavyCrocket2003
Well-Known Member
Well, everyone gets resurrected, thank goodness. Plus, I think most people are referring to an "existence" after death. Just cause you're dead, I guess you can't properly call it "life".
DavyCrocket2003
Well-Known Member
I don't think it will really be such a shock. Remember, God doesn't place that much stock on what people say they are, the way people do. He cares more about who people actually are. You know, how they lived, what are their hearts like, etc... It's not going to be like "OMG! I'm going to Hell because I thought that [insert religion] was true!" It will be more like "Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?" And the King shall answer and say unto them, "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
My work here is done. :angel2:
Ecclesiasties 9:5
For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all
Life is existance. It then stands to effect that if death is the opposite of life, then death = nonexistance
thats why we have the hope of the resurrection
Matthew 7:21-23
Not everyone saying to me, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name? And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness
You need to put the kingdom first by preaching the Good News of the kingdom
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Looking around and observing that death occurs all the time. = Death after life.
Looking around and observing that life occurs all the time. = Life after death.
No Bibles or faith required.-NM-
islam means peace
Member
Please download the attached article , by zakir naik about "How can we prove life after Death" , as this is a long article about 15,000 words and this forum allow me to post only about 10,000 word to write so i am attahing this article as a word and pdf forms.
Hope this will help you to understand the concept propelry.
Free File Hosting & Video Downloads, Free File Sharing, Online Friends Network - Ziddu (PDF Format)
Free File Hosting & Video Downloads, Free File Sharing, Online Friends Network - Ziddu (Word Format)
Source Islamic Research Foundation
http://www.ziddu.com/download/4194389/HEREAFTER-LIFEAFTERDEATH.pdf.html
Hope this will help you to understand the concept propelry.
Free File Hosting & Video Downloads, Free File Sharing, Online Friends Network - Ziddu (PDF Format)
Free File Hosting & Video Downloads, Free File Sharing, Online Friends Network - Ziddu (Word Format)
Source Islamic Research Foundation
http://www.ziddu.com/download/4194389/HEREAFTER-LIFEAFTERDEATH.pdf.html
Kodanshi
StygnosticA
How about you summarise its main points? I’ve found that muslim articles tend to consist of absurdly lengthy misdirections and red herring, non–points that cause my eyes to glaze over. It was one of the main faults I found about ‘proof’ even back when I followed Islâm.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Forgive me, but that reminded me of the South Park episode, where the Protestant and JW were told in Hell, " [FONT="]I'm afraid it was the Mormons. Yes, the Mormons were the correct answer"[/FONT]
Can you please summarise in your own words. Thank you
Hahaha lol. I dont believe in hell. I believe in life after death in the sense that we get ruessurected to a life on earth
this is in Harmony with God's word the bible
islam means peace
Member
To lockyfan
Well , my English is not too good that i can summarize this article in my own word , if you having difficulty in downloading it then you can visit the article at
Faq on Islam ( then scrool down to question 1 ". MOST COMMON QUESTIONS ASKED BY NON-MUSLIMS" , the see Q.16 )
Well , my English is not too good that i can summarize this article in my own word , if you having difficulty in downloading it then you can visit the article at
Faq on Islam ( then scrool down to question 1 ". MOST COMMON QUESTIONS ASKED BY NON-MUSLIMS" , the see Q.16 )
Kodanshi
StygnosticA
It’s not that we have difficulty downloading it, we just don’t want to wade through masses of (possibly) moronic and unscientific ramblings — why not summarise your own points in this matter, and instead use portions of that article that you believe support your views, and why they do?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Don't bother reading it, it is just the ususal Muslim drivel.
islam means peace
Member
Well , i will try to summarize this by taking help from some of my friend.but if you are asking about my views how to prove life after death , brother there are many examples through which you can see life and death phenomena like
a) first , look at your own life ,and tell me it is more difficult to build any thing from none/nothing OR it is difficult to build any thing from existing , obviously your answer will be its more difficult to build a new one , so current you are here when you are nothing so giving life by Allah again to you will be as nothing difficult. and why cannot Allah gives you life again look at the solar system above you , you will see the perfect calculations in it , even a if any planet loose its speed little bit the whole solar system will be destroy so , Allah who had created this , and for him creating you again is so simple.
b) Let take another example , you see in fields/agriculture that the crops are there green and healthy but after some time the get ruined , but when its rain again the death plants again became as they were before *they get life), plants are also considered as living creature so you can say they are dying daily and again getting life daily (please ignore my weak English).
and YmirGF , looking your post i think you had never ever read what Islam says , and i think you don't have any right to say something about which you never know , its simple like that as some one don't know any thing about any topic and just want to take part in debate.
Well, i suggest before saying any thing about any subject firsts you must have proper knowledge of it and first try to confirm any thing from some knowledge able person and just don't by self think any thing about any subject by just hearing any thing about it from hear and there (unreliable sources).
a) first , look at your own life ,and tell me it is more difficult to build any thing from none/nothing OR it is difficult to build any thing from existing , obviously your answer will be its more difficult to build a new one , so current you are here when you are nothing so giving life by Allah again to you will be as nothing difficult. and why cannot Allah gives you life again look at the solar system above you , you will see the perfect calculations in it , even a if any planet loose its speed little bit the whole solar system will be destroy so , Allah who had created this , and for him creating you again is so simple.
b) Let take another example , you see in fields/agriculture that the crops are there green and healthy but after some time the get ruined , but when its rain again the death plants again became as they were before *they get life), plants are also considered as living creature so you can say they are dying daily and again getting life daily (please ignore my weak English).
and YmirGF , looking your post i think you had never ever read what Islam says , and i think you don't have any right to say something about which you never know , its simple like that as some one don't know any thing about any topic and just want to take part in debate.
Well, i suggest before saying any thing about any subject firsts you must have proper knowledge of it and first try to confirm any thing from some knowledge able person and just don't by self think any thing about any subject by just hearing any thing about it from hear and there (unreliable sources).
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McBell
Unbound
After looking over it myself, I agree with YmirGF, it is the same old same old.
islam means peace
Member
Ok , some of the ways we can prove life after death
1) The Quran gives the analogy of the plant/ dead earth.
similar to the plant or the dead earth - when it seems to be dead and finished the season comes and with water the dead earth/ plant becomes alive again.
"Thus We bring back to life the dead earth, and the coming back to life of the dead on the day of resurrection shall be similar." (50:11)
This explains it preety well
[22.5] O people, if you are in doubt about the Resurrection, remember that
We first created you from dust, then, from a sperm drop, then from a clot,
and then from a bitesize tissue formed and unformed, so that We might
clarify for you. We establish in the wombs whatever We will for an
appointed term, and then We bring you forth as infants, then you come of
age. Some of you die, and some of you are kept back to the vilest state of
life, after knowing somewhat, they know nothing. And you see the earth dry;
but no sooner do We send down rain upon it than it begins to quiver and
swell, putting forth every fine variety (of herbage).
[22.6] That is because Allah is the Truth; He revives the dead and has
power over all things.
[71.17] Allah has caused you to grow out of the earth,
[71.18] and to it He will return you. Then, He will bring you forth.
so just like we can empirical verify the plant/dead earth coming alive in a specfic time - so will the human after he/she is dead
2) life after death because first we must look at how we came to existence... its very simple Allah created us and the universe so he can easily bring us back to life no doubt about that.
So people believe the world came into existence due to the big bang theory that nonsense well let me ask them a question, them being the sciencetists and people who believe this nonsense, Where did the matter and materials that created the "big bang" come from? where they just their by fluke?
Answer: I think not!, Allah created this universe and i believe it wasn't because of some big bang.
3) Suppose we develop a new mobile or a technique with which we can communicate with a human foetus in the mother's womb.
We tell him/her: in a few days/weeks you are going to come into a beautiful world. You will see green plants, fragrant flowers, huge mountains, blue sky, rains, rainbows, etc.
The baby (foetus) replies, this is the age of scientific advancements. Everything you say should have some scientific explanation for it. Let me explore and experiment and use all the scientific tools to see if all that even exists.
Then he starts exploring inside the womb to look for any evidence for the existence of this "beautiful world". Will he find any evidence for it?
He will say, I have used all available scientific means, and all I could find was dark, tight packed walls, some liquid and nothing else.
So according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says there is no such world.
Now how will you explain the existence of this world to someone who has not yet arrived here? Similarly, we cannot prove the existence of the Hereafter, Jannah and Jahannum using the scientific tools. All we can do is to rely on those who have seen it, and to believe in the Words of the One who created us.
1) The Quran gives the analogy of the plant/ dead earth.
similar to the plant or the dead earth - when it seems to be dead and finished the season comes and with water the dead earth/ plant becomes alive again.
"Thus We bring back to life the dead earth, and the coming back to life of the dead on the day of resurrection shall be similar." (50:11)
This explains it preety well
[22.5] O people, if you are in doubt about the Resurrection, remember that
We first created you from dust, then, from a sperm drop, then from a clot,
and then from a bitesize tissue formed and unformed, so that We might
clarify for you. We establish in the wombs whatever We will for an
appointed term, and then We bring you forth as infants, then you come of
age. Some of you die, and some of you are kept back to the vilest state of
life, after knowing somewhat, they know nothing. And you see the earth dry;
but no sooner do We send down rain upon it than it begins to quiver and
swell, putting forth every fine variety (of herbage).
[22.6] That is because Allah is the Truth; He revives the dead and has
power over all things.
[71.17] Allah has caused you to grow out of the earth,
[71.18] and to it He will return you. Then, He will bring you forth.
so just like we can empirical verify the plant/dead earth coming alive in a specfic time - so will the human after he/she is dead
2) life after death because first we must look at how we came to existence... its very simple Allah created us and the universe so he can easily bring us back to life no doubt about that.
So people believe the world came into existence due to the big bang theory that nonsense well let me ask them a question, them being the sciencetists and people who believe this nonsense, Where did the matter and materials that created the "big bang" come from? where they just their by fluke?
Answer: I think not!, Allah created this universe and i believe it wasn't because of some big bang.
3) Suppose we develop a new mobile or a technique with which we can communicate with a human foetus in the mother's womb.
We tell him/her: in a few days/weeks you are going to come into a beautiful world. You will see green plants, fragrant flowers, huge mountains, blue sky, rains, rainbows, etc.
The baby (foetus) replies, this is the age of scientific advancements. Everything you say should have some scientific explanation for it. Let me explore and experiment and use all the scientific tools to see if all that even exists.
Then he starts exploring inside the womb to look for any evidence for the existence of this "beautiful world". Will he find any evidence for it?
He will say, I have used all available scientific means, and all I could find was dark, tight packed walls, some liquid and nothing else.
So according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says there is no such world.
Now how will you explain the existence of this world to someone who has not yet arrived here? Similarly, we cannot prove the existence of the Hereafter, Jannah and Jahannum using the scientific tools. All we can do is to rely on those who have seen it, and to believe in the Words of the One who created us.
Kodanshi
StygnosticA
:no: Please PLEASE tell me youre joking. You really consider those proofs? Im honestly flabbergasted! I know it shouldnt surprise me, because through my years (even when I used to follow Islâm), I would encounter people with such flabby and illogical thought processes, but do you really think any of that PROVES the existence of life after death?!