Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist

[kai]

my answer is yes to your first statement.

as for this, how sure are you that science never makes a mistake? that the answer which is obtaind about something is the final answer and there would not be a better understanding of a thing in the future? can you prove that science never makes a mistake? islamicly speaking man always makes a mistake.

Science is a continuous learning curve, there willl always be a better understanding of things in the future as we gradually learn more and more.

This is a problem for religious people who take scripture as literal because your belief stops your learning curve you cannot possibly accept archaeological or palaeological and anthropological ,astronomical findings if they clash with scripture. this is the viel i refer to that you cannot see beyond.

 

[monta]

what???

where have i gone against the quran?

what instruction?

i am a muslim, la ilaha ilallah muhamedur rasulullah. always have been always will be inshallah.

To respond to your frubal message, I was pointing out that you don't abide 100% to the teachings of the Qur'an which I am sure you know doesn't want you to try and convert atheists.

 

[Commoner]

never the less there is no contradiction about this in the quran, since you don't know what islam says about it. good luck on something else.

Clearly there is a contradiction in your beliefs, since you've just withnessed two male lions doing the nasty.

I know you think that I'm just pushing you to say something that you shouldn't say (if nothing else, it would probably hurt your point), but I don't really care about that. I just want you to get past this notion that you can rely on someone else's interpretation of a holy book and use that as grounds to make claims that really can't be substantiated outside that interpretation, but can result in some very nasty consequences. And if you see something contradictory in the teachings of the scholars of your religion, you must be honest enough to yourself to at least question the validity of those interpretations.

 

[Gharib]

To respond to your frubal message, I was pointing out that you don't abide 100% to the teachings of the Qur'an which I am sure you know doesn't want you to try and convert atheists.

i'm not converting any atheists, we are discussing homosexuality.

and islam does not forbid speaking to atheists and trying to teach them about islam that wouldn't be fair if it was how you are suggesting, then atheists can claim Allah forbade his righteous believers to tell atheists about the religion of god. that would mean free paradise.

 

[Gharib]

Clearly there is a contradiction in your beliefs, since you've just withnessed two male lions doing the nasty.

I know you think that I'm just pushing you to say something that you shouldn't say (if nothing else, it would probably hurt your point), but I don't really care about that. I just want you to get past this notion that you can rely on someone else's interpretation of a holy book and use that as grounds to make claims that really can't be substantiated outside that interpretation, but can result in some very nasty consequences. And if you see something contradictory in the teachings of the scholars of your religion, you must be honest enough to yourself to at least question the validity of those interpretations.

so an atheist is giving a religious person advice on religion. i never saw this comming. please do go on, what next? :sleep:

 

[monta]

i'm not converting any atheists, we are discussing homosexuality.

and islam does not forbid speaking to atheists and trying to teach them about islam that wouldn't be fair if it was how you are suggesting, then atheists can claim Allah forbade his righteous believers to tell atheists about the religion of god. that would mean free paradise.

The thread is Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist , not Proving the existence of homosexuality to a Muslim

 

[Gharib]

Science is a continuous learning curve, there willl always be a better understanding of things in the future as we gradually learn more and more.

This is a problem for religious people who take scripture as literal because your belief stops your learning curve you cannot possibly accept archaeological or palaeological and anthropological ,astronomical findings if they clash with scripture. this is the viel i refer to that you cannot see beyond.

you can't blame religion for the fact that science is unreliable at times due to little undersanding of things. for example, the quran says there are 7 universes, so do you say that the quran is wrong and science is right or do you say the quran may be right because science hasn't fully understood the universe but may one day? which one would be your ansswer to such a question?

 

[kai]

you can't blame religion for the fact that science is unreliable at times due to little undersanding of things. for example, the quran says there are 7 universes, so do you say that the quran is wrong and science is right or do you say the quran may be right because science hasn't fully understood the universe but may one day? which one would be your ansswer to such a question?

esalam

The Universe comprises everything that physically exists, the entirety of space and time, all forms of matter and energy, and the physical laws and constants that govern them.


how can there be seven everythings? is that everything plus 6?

 

[monta]

I have a question Eselam seeing as your expertise is in cattle only, what does the cow say ?

 

[Commoner]

so an atheist is giving a religious person advice on religion. i never saw this comming. please do go on, what next? :sleep:

Has nothing to do with religion, it applies to everything. That someone is an atheist does not mean that they don't have a religion.

 

[Gharib]

esalam

The Universe comprises everything that physically exists, the entirety of space and time, all forms of matter and energy, and the physical laws and constants that govern them.
how can there be seven everythings? is that everything plus 6?

so you automaticaly are denying the possibility of 7 universes without any scientific proof against what the quran is saying? correct?

 

[Gharib]

The thread is Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist , not Proving the existence of homosexuality to a Muslim

ha ha funny.

no actually no one is discussing the OP and the thread was not about me proving Allah to atheists, the thread was moved to religious debates and everyone came in to debate about it. i can't make anyone see the existence of Allah, only he can.

 

[Gharib]

I have a question Eselam seeing as your expertise is in cattle only, what does the cow say ?

they want to talk to you. ha ha

 

[kai]

so you automaticaly are denying the possibility of 7 universes without any scientific proof against what the quran is saying? correct?

maybe the Quran doesnt mean universe ? whats the arabic word used? does it really mean 7 everythings no it cant.

 

[monta]

they want to talk to you. ha ha

Oh I have already read it, maybe you should brush up on it though.

 

[darkendless]

I have a question Eselam seeing as your expertise is in cattle only, what does the cow say ?

In Europe, the cow goes shazoooooooooom ...... (family guy season 7 anyone?)

 

[Gharib]

maybe the Quran doesnt mean universe ? whats the arabic word used? does it really mean 7 everythings no it cant.

i don't know what the arabic word is, but it does mean 7 universes, the last one has "shining lamps" and is expanding, exactly what science says about our universe, it is expanding.

 

[Gharib]

Oh I have already read it, maybe you should brush up on it though.

what? that doesn't make sense at all. is it just me?

 

[kai]

i don't know what the arabic word is, but it does mean 7 universes, the last one has "shining lamps" and is expanding, exactly what science says about our universe, it is expanding.

 

[Gharib]

Has nothing to do with religion, it applies to everything. That someone is an atheist does not mean that they don't have a religion.

i agree the religion of atheists is science. which means don't believe in anything that can't be proven scientifically.