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Public School Bible Class: Imagine Adam Crawling up the Back of a Dinosaur

Skwim

Veteran Member
Considering these are Appalachian mountain folk we shouldn't be surprised. Should we?

"This spring, Bible classes such as Trenton’s [a kid who attends one of the schools] are on the minds of many here in Mercer County. For decades, the county’s public schools have offered a weekly Bible class during the school day — 30 minutes at the elementary level and 45 minutes in middle school. Bible classes on school time are a rarity in public education, but here they are a long-standing tradition. The program is not mandatory, but almost every child in the district attends. And there is widespread support for the classes: Parents and community members help raise nearly $500,000 a year to pay for the Bible in the Schools program.

“I think it’s a great program mainly because it’s the only chance for some of these kids to even see the Bible,” said Brett Tolliver, 27. “More importantly, I don’t know who it harms.

“There is a great deal of not just poetry and prose in the Bible, but from what I’ve read almost every piece of history that’s in the Bible has eventually been proven,” he said. “We see the Bible not just as a book of faith but as a pretty accurate account of history that informs us about a lot of things that happened.”

Now Bible in the Schools is facing a stiff legal challenge. Two county residents with school-age children argue in a lawsuit that the program violates the establishment clause of the First Amendment and the West Virginia constitution. Filed in January and amended last month by the Freedom From Religion Foundation, the suit charges that the Bible class “advances and endorses one religion, improperly entangles public schools in religious affairs, and violates the personal consciences of nonreligious and non-Christian parents and students.”

The suit quotes from one lesson: “If all of the Israelites had chosen to follow the Ten Commandments, think of how safe and happy they would have been.” Another lesson asks students to imagine that humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time. It says: “So picture Adam being able to crawl up on the back of a dinosaur! He and Eve could have their own personal water slide! Wouldn’t that be so wild!”
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The article is much too long to quote any more from, but the above should give you an idea of what's spinning around in the brains of these people.

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Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
They could have existed at the same time. Who can say for sure. It seems like they need freedom from freedom from religion in schools.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
In other words, you don't believe they should be from religion in public schools? How about if that religion is Islam, or Satanism, or Eckankar?

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It isn't though, is it. It's the good old bible.

I have no problem at looking at holy books from a neutral standpoint in a history context in public schools. This is obviously not that.

Well don't move to Mercer county.
 

VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
I live near the Appalachian Mountains, and yes, the region is loaded with idiocy. The Appalachians are actually better than the surrounding regions. Anyways, I think public schools should be allowed to teach optional classes on religion from a secular standpoint, but they should have to provide lessons on a given list of major religions.

Also, I think that private schools should be prohibited from having religious undertones; for example, if a Catholic school wants to be Catholic, it should be a church and not a school.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
You have Adam's fossil? Where did you find that?
It's relatively easy to tell how old a layer of rock is. Because it's consistent all over the planet. We don't find primate fossils anywhere near even the latest portion of when Dinosaurs existed, let alone anything beginning to resemble a modern human.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Also, I think that private schools should be prohibited from having religious undertones; for example, if a Catholic school wants to be Catholic, it should be a church and not a school.

But private schools aren't funded by taxes, so they don't violate the separation of church and state.
 
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Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It's relatively easy to tell how old a layer of rock is. Because it's consistent all over the planet. We don't find primate fossils anywhere near even the latest portion of when Dinosaurs existed, let alone anything beginning to resemble a modern human.

You probably wouldn't see humans and apes anywhere near the dinosaurs, Must have got caught in different mud slides.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
But private schools aren't funded by taxes, so they don't violate the seperation of church and state.

Agreed. That's where religious "education" should remain-- public schools have to remain utterly neutral-- or else they must accommodate every possible religion--ever.

Including the ones that many would consider very silly, such as Flying Spaghetti Monsterism.

They are very limited of both time and money-- even if the materials are "donated" (there's always a catch with such things) it's a waste of taxpayers' funds.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It's relatively easy to tell how old a layer of rock is. Because it's consistent all over the planet. We don't find primate fossils anywhere near even the latest portion of when Dinosaurs existed, let alone anything beginning to resemble a modern human.

And as the Story goes, People didn't die originally. Adam and Eve could have been around forever if they had not eaten the forbidden fruit. So you wouldn't find fossilized humans. Who can say how long they lived since their timers didn't start until they ate the forbidden fruit and sin entered the world. At that point their days were number to 1,000 years which is equal to 1 day in God time. As he said, " In the day that you eat of it you will surely die."
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Considering these are Appalachian mountain folk we shouldn't be surprised. Should we?

"This spring, Bible classes such as Trenton’s [a kid who attends one of the schools] are on the minds of many here in Mercer County. For decades, the county’s public schools have offered a weekly Bible class during the school day — 30 minutes at the elementary level and 45 minutes in middle school. Bible classes on school time are a rarity in public education, but here they are a long-standing tradition. The program is not mandatory, but almost every child in the district attends. And there is widespread support for the classes: Parents and community members help raise nearly $500,000 a year to pay for the Bible in the Schools program.

“I think it’s a great program mainly because it’s the only chance for some of these kids to even see the Bible,” said Brett Tolliver, 27. “More importantly, I don’t know who it harms.

“There is a great deal of not just poetry and prose in the Bible, but from what I’ve read almost every piece of history that’s in the Bible has eventually been proven,” he said. “We see the Bible not just as a book of faith but as a pretty accurate account of history that informs us about a lot of things that happened.”

Now Bible in the Schools is facing a stiff legal challenge. Two county residents with school-age children argue in a lawsuit that the program violates the establishment clause of the First Amendment and the West Virginia constitution. Filed in January and amended last month by the Freedom From Religion Foundation, the suit charges that the Bible class “advances and endorses one religion, improperly entangles public schools in religious affairs, and violates the personal consciences of nonreligious and non-Christian parents and students.”

The suit quotes from one lesson: “If all of the Israelites had chosen to follow the Ten Commandments, think of how safe and happy they would have been.” Another lesson asks students to imagine that humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time. It says: “So picture Adam being able to crawl up on the back of a dinosaur! He and Eve could have their own personal water slide! Wouldn’t that be so wild!”
source

The article is much too long to quote any more from, but the above should give you an idea of what's spinning around in the brains of these people.

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I think its a scam. It caught my eye because I worked in Trenton which is in mercer county New Jersey. It is also a neighbor of Princeton which is also mentioned in the article. I googled Mercer county West Virginia and only come up with Mercer County New Jersey which as I said both Trenton and Princeton exist. I could be wrong but it is quite a coincidence.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Truth is good. That's what is in it.

Really? Because I've read the bible -- cover-to-cover, multiple times. I did not skip a single verse-- (well, I may have skimmed over the begats, some)

So what is "good" about a message of terrorism? I'd really like to know.

Remember: Only terrorists use torture.

And what is biblical hell, but infinite torture...!
 
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