punished for beliefs in public school?

[Curious George]

. Beliefs are also very problematic not least because they are either true or false, and therefore cannot be adequately described by conventional logic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descriptive_knowledge

Either you have looked up the sources or you haven't. Every academic theory of knowledge places knowledge as some form of belief. Every single one.

You can try to escape this, but you will fail.

Semantics may abound, but you cannot change the fact that knowledge is still, and will always be regarded as a belief. A belief with adjectives in front, but a belief nonetheless.

 

[outhouse]

you cannot change the fact that knowledge is still, and will always be regarded as a belief.

You still have not substantiated your claim, that is the only fact.

Belief is not knowledge.

Both are factually defined differently.

 

[outhouse]

True belief is but a form of belief.

So what its moving goal post, and they are not the same.

And belief does not define knowledge, or it would not be knowledge.

 

[Curious George]

You still have not substantiated your claim, that is the only fact.

Belief is not knowledge.

Both are factually defined differently.

You seriously think knowledge is not a form of belief?

 

[Curious George]

So what its moving goal post, and they are not the same.

And belief does not define knowledge, or it would not be knowledge.

It is not moving the goal post. I have said from the beginning that knowledge is a type of belief.

All knowledge is belief but not all beliefs are knowledge. How is that confusing?

 

[Curious George]

Really? Give me a source. The only reason belief (acceptance of the truth of something) is differentiated from something one "knows" is because something one knows is provable.

Proven would have been better word choice. But to be proven it must be well justified true belief.

 

[Curious George]

Proven would have been better word choice. But to be proven it must be well justified true belief.

#not moving any goal posts.

 

[outhouse]

It is not moving the goal post. I have said from the beginning that knowledge is a type of belief.

All knowledge is belief but not all beliefs are knowledge. How is that confusing?

Because your statement of """All knowledge is belief""" is not true, nor have you proved a credible source that is not in current dispute or accepted academically as the correct answer.

So touting the difference between knowledge and belief is certainly important for later discussion, but it is not wrong to call facts beliefs as well. Facts are beliefs.

Facts are not belief, and it is wrong to call them beliefs.

 

[Curious George]

John turri, manifest failure: the gettier problem solved, philosophers imprint vol 11 no. 8 2011.

"Knowledge is adept belief"

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...vg/1280px-Classical_definition_of_Kno.svg.png

Do you honestly believe that knowledge is not a form of belief?

 

[outhouse]

Do you honestly believe that knowledge is not a form of belief?

No it is not. And YOU have not substantiated that claim as of yet by any standard.

Knowledge is not a belief. Fact is not belief.

A belief is what one has before he learns the truth or the fact of the matter.


Knowledge is what happens when a belief turns into fact and it is no longer a belief because it is now known , and there is no more need for belief..

 

[outhouse]

adept belief

Is not just belief. Are they exactly the same? No.

So that means you are moving goal post yet again.

 

[outhouse]

YOU claimed a fact is belief.

Start substantiating your claims

 

[Father Heathen]

Ugh, I used to live in Ft. Wayne.

The teacher needs to lose her job.

 

[Curious George]

Is not just belief. Are they exactly the same? No.

So that means you are moving goal post yet again.

Adept belief is a specific type of belief. It is still belief.

 

[Curious George]

YOU claimed a fact is belief.

Start substantiating your claims

I did. Every single academic definition of knowledge explains that it is some form of belief.

 

[Shad]

You seriously think knowledge is not a form of belief?

Knowledge includes beliefs but these must be justified and true. Beliefs in general as assumed to be true. The knowledge of life near the south and north poles is justified and true due to evidence Another example would be the geocentric model. It was justified with math but was not true. Hence why knowledge is different from beliefs since it has criteria to meet while many beliefs do not have any criteria.

 

[outhouse]

Adept belief is a specific type of belief. It is still belief.

Your admitting to moving goal post

 

[outhouse]

YOU claimed a fact is belief.

Start substantiating your claims

 

[outhouse]

I did. Every single academic definition of knowledge explains that it is some form of belief.

No you did not.

Its why you still don't have any credible sources.

And you never stated form of belief, its just more of you ducking and dodging after stepping in it with unsubstantiated claims. You clearly stated a fact is belief and your factually wrong.


Knowledge is not defined as a belief, and the definition is argued to this day. Because some people have claimed knowledge is true belief, which is NOT just belief, does not make knowledge a belief.

 

[outhouse]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge

The definition of knowledge is a matter of ongoing debate among philosophers in the field of epistemology.