Putin apologists.

[F1fan]

I don't trust the news media. I know how it lies and misrepresents things. It's evil. And it's all just information warfare like Hillary Clinton says and they admit they want to control the narrative. So it's all open, in your face and obvious. They want to control the information you receive. They want to shut down dissenting voices just like they did with Covid and are still doing. They will never stop until we live in 1984.

It's not even about Putin. I've never been a fan of Putin and I'm still not. But I wish the news just gave a fair balanced report. They ban Russian media because it's "obviously" propaganda but they're just as bad. If I were you I would take everything from the MSM with a grain of salt even if it's anti-Putin.

So I take it you are completely uninformed since you use no news media. How did hear about Covid? Did you know Russia invaded Ukraine 11 days ago by overhearing people talking about it?

 

[George-ananda]

Carlsons adds enough spice all by himself. He is driven by ratings and that is achieved with controversy. The guy is smart and certainly knowns better, but he wants the attention. Let's note he is a right wing pundit and not a journalist. Like other right wing pundits he takes no accountability for controversial statements, and they adjust after catching backlash when they've gone too far.

Let's refresh what I was talking about in my first post. The OP's opening phrase was: There have been those who've openly defended Putin and his invasion

I am challenging that point saying there are no significant political or media Americans that openly support Russia's invasion of the Ukraine. I said that is a distortion by the left media.

 

[F1fan]

Let's refresh what I was talking about in my first post. The OP's opening phrase was: There have been those who've openly defended Putin and his invasion

I am challenging that point saying there are no significant political or media Americans that openly support Russia's invasion of the Ukraine. I said that is a distortion by the left media.

Do you have any links to left media doing this? I have been watching a mix of media reporting on the war and haven't really noticed this.

 

[The Hammer]

I’ve admired and respected Vladimir Putin for a long time, since way before Trump took office. Does this make me an “apologist”?

Yes

 

[fantome profane]

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Travailleuses Du Sexe = Sex Workers

Yes I'm confused

Technical Data Sheet?

True story. When I was a child my mother and my grandfather both worked for Time Distribution Services.

It might sound like some cool sci-if time travel agency or something, but no. They distributed Time magazine, as well as People, Discovery and a dozen others throughout Canada.

Growing up my house was full of swag with the logo “TDS” on it. Coffee mugs, glasses, clocks, radios, and clock/radios, tote bags, pens, watches, you name it.


Every time someone on this board thinks they being clever with that silly ad hominem it brings up pleasant childhood memories for me.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Those who promote TDS Trump Derangement Syndrome ideas ignore HDS (Hillary...), BDS (Biden...), SDS (Soros...) and so forth.

Naw. Biden is pretty mentally decayed anyways.

I feel sorry for the man.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think many trump supporters see Putin's authoritarianism as a proxy for trump's approach to domestic politics. That trump engineered an attempted coup is much like the corruption that Putin applied to remain president indefinitely. Plus the anti-democracy of some Americans seems rooted in the right wing rhetoric that implies or asserts that Democrats are illegitimate, or not patriotic, or corrupt, or whatever they make up to sway conservative voter's attitudes. Ukraine seems to represent the sort of popular democracy that Republicans see as a threat to their power. So there is a parallel here where trump supporters would support the sort of aggressive measures against Democrats that Putin is imposing on Ukraine. The Jan 6 attack was an example of the violence the is seen as a solution to the Democrat problem.

Quite imaginative.

 

[Aštra’el]

I’ve admired and respected Vladimir Putin for a long time, since way before Trump took office. Does this make me an “apologist”?

Yes

In what way? I feel no obligation to “justify” to people the actions of those I respect and admire, or even my own actions. If I respect someone I respect them... and I do not require people to understand my reasons, or even to agree with me.

How is that being an “apologist”?

 

[Shaul]

On February 23, the day the invasion began, Trump said “This is something that should have never happened. This would not have happened during my administration,” Trump said in response to the attack on Ukraine. “It’s a very sad thing for the world, for the country, and for all the people who are going to be needlessly killed,” he added.

Later at the CPAC meeting he repeated his denouncement of it. "The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling. We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all," Trump said.

Actually Trump publicly denounced the invasion before President Biden did.

 

[F1fan]

In what way? I feel no obligation to “justify” to people the actions of those I respect and admire, or even my own actions. If I respect someone I respect them... and I do not require people to understand my reasons, or even to agree with me.

How is that being an “apologist”?

We respect people for reasons. Perhaps you can explain why you respect Putin. Be sure to account for the many bad things Putin has done and explain why those don't diminish your respect.

 

[F1fan]

On February 23, the day the invasion began, Trump said “This is something that should have never happened. This would not have happened during my administration,” Trump said in response to the attack on Ukraine. “It’s a very sad thing for the world, for the country, and for all the people who are going to be needlessly killed,” he added.

Later at the CPAC meeting he repeated his denouncement of it. "The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling. We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all," Trump said.

Actually Trump publicly denounced the invasion before President Biden did.

Was that the same speech where trump said Putin was smart?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Travailleuses Du Sexe = Sex Workers

Yes I'm confused

Of course he meant Trump Derangement Syndrome. And surprisingly he was right. But he appears to have forgotten that TDS is s syndrome that swings both ways. There are those that hated Trump no matter what, and there are those that love and praise Trump no matter what. Both are cases of TDS. And those that are of the praise Trump no matter what group also tend to be Putin apologists.

 

[Shaul]

Was that the same speech where trump said Putin was smart?

No, that was part of an interview. Did you actually listen to that interview? Or have you only heard the oft repeated select cherrypicked words taken out of context?

 

[F1fan]

No, that was part of an interview. Did you actually listen to that interview? Or have you only heard the oft repeated select cherrypicked words taken out of context?

Frankly I have no interest in what trump says. He's corrupt and unethical. Little of what he says is useful to hear. When he says outrageous things it will make the headlines.

 

[Shaul]

Frankly I have no interest in what trump says. He's corrupt and unethical. Little of what he says is useful to hear. When he says outrageous things it will make the headlines.

I’ll take that as a no then, that you haven’t heard Trump’s actually interview. Until you do your comments are based on hearsay and can be dismissed.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you have any quotes of Americans doing this; actually supporting Putin's invasion?

All I hear is condemnation of Biden versus Putin but not actually support for Putin's invasion.

I wonder if the left isn't exaggerating this to make the right look bad?

The left is just a bunch of self serving liars.

They are doing nothing but lip service about sanctions and condemnation while still at the same time, buying Russian oil.

Ahem...while publicly calling for future purchases to stop...gack... in front of the American people .... ahem.

Cough..

 

[sun rise]

Naw. Biden is pretty mentally decayed anyways.

I feel sorry for the man.

I feel sorry for those who don't see how masterfully he's handling Ukraine and other tasks. Of course he's done dumb things, everyone does, but to live under such a self-administered filter for what is going on is too bad.

 

[Aštra’el]

We respect people for reasons. Perhaps you can explain why you respect Putin. Be sure to account for the many bad things Putin has done and explain why those don't diminish your respect.

“Bad things”? According to whose point of view?

I don’t see the point of arguing over why certain people in this world have earned my respect. It’s just something that may or may not happen. Putin has lived a life that impresses and inspires me. We can leave it at that. Neither of us are “right” or “wrong” in our feelings about President Putin.

 

[F1fan]

“Bad things”? According to whose point of view?

The whole planet, except for a few select far right wing extremists.

I don’t see the point of arguing over why certain people in this world have earned my respect.

It's important for ethical people.

It’s just something that may or may not happen. Putin has lived a life that impresses and inspires me. We can leave it at that. Neither of us are “right” or “wrong” in our feelings about President Putin.

You don't seem very confident here. Why not list the many things that impress you about Putin. Does that include his corruption and massive grift that has enriched him and many others?

You don't have to mention the war he started that has ruined the lives of millions of families in Ukraine.

 

[ajay0]

There have been those who've openly defended Putin and his invasion, yet the only reasons I've been able to glean from what's been given has either been A.) Those harboring butthurt towards "the west" in general, or B.) MAGA cultists who, because Trump licked Putin's boots, feel obligated to follow suit out of loyalty.
Nothing actually substantiated or rational, unless I've missed or overlooked something?

I have been critical of NATO-U.S. expansion policy, especially against Russia armed with thermonuclear weapons.

But I have not defended Putin, whom I consider despotic to a large extent considering the assassination of Russian opposition politicians, notably Boris Nemtsov and persecution of Alexei Navalny, the russian opposition leader in the russian parliament. If you have noticed, a large opposition campaign had been rising up against Putin in the last few years.

However, it is NATO-U.S. that is aiding Putin at the moment, as their expansionist policy and condescending attitude towards Russia is stoking Russian insecurities and hence most Russians keep on supporting Putin . Any politican worth his salt would know how to take advantage of this situation to keep himself in power. Many politicians throughout the world uses external threats as a way of keeping themselves in power through propaganda by projecting themselves as saviors or champions who would not bow to foreign threats.

If the NATO-U.S. had kept a safe distance from Russia and did not pose a security threat to them, Russian insecurities would not have been stoked. They would have minded their own business, that is building Russian democratic institutions, crippled economy and ensuring fairness and transparency in their democractic process.

The 2021 NOBEL peace award was awarded to a Russian journalist named Dmitry Muratov for his efforts in promoting fairness and transparency in the Russian media.