Putin recognizes the independence of Donbass

[Estro Felino]

Designing reactors with inadequate safety measures.

Those reactors were anywhere in the Soviet Union.
But the Ukrainians did make that test.
That test was one mistake after the other.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Shades of Sudetenland.

 

[Revoltingest]

Those reactors were anywhere in the Soviet Union.
But the Ukrainians did make that test.
That test was one mistake after the other.

Designing reactors without attention to preventing
mistakes from causing catastrophic accidents is
very bad policy.
Having no robust containment dome is a big shortcoming
if the reactor blows up. But that flaw was typical of Soviet
nuclear reactors.
Chernobyl Design Flaws Made Accident Worse, Soviet Report Concedes

 

[Sand Dancer]

I applaud this great man.
And I am so happy for these two Republics who are celebrating this great historical moment.

Great man! He's a bully!

 

[Wandering Monk]

Russia is certainly not an economic threat. Their economy is smaller than Italy's.

Europe, for some reason, didn't seem to think that their dependence on Russian oil would be used as leverage by Russia against them. Now that hen has come home to roost.

If it wasn't for Russian nukes, this would be a side show, easily dealt with. Russia's whole gambit hangs on the perception that they would resort to nuclear war if confronted by NATO conventional forces in Ukraine. I hope the Russian love their children too, because they would not emerge unscathed from such an action.

 

[Estro Felino]

Russia is certainly not an economic threat. Their economy is smaller than Italy's.

Europe, for some reason, didn't seem to think that their dependence on Russian oil would be used as leverage by Russia against them. Now that hen has come home to roost.

If it wasn't for Russian nukes, this would be a side show, easily dealt with. Russia's whole gambit hangs on the perception that they would resort to nuclear war if confronted by NATO conventional forces in Ukraine. I hope the Russian love their children too, because they would not emerge unscathed from such an action.

I was thinking just one thing.
Instead of giving away billions of euros to the ECB bankers...
We could use that money on building infrastructures.
Highways and railways. Connecting Berlin to Moscow with super functioning highways and railroads.
Look at how East and West are isolated.

 

[Estro Felino]

Designing reactors without attention to preventing
mistakes from causing catastrophic accidents is
very bad policy.
Having no robust containment dome is a big shortcoming
if the reactor blows up. But that flaw was typical of Soviet
nuclear reactors.
Chernobyl Design Flaws Made Accident Worse, Soviet Report Concedes

Was that test necessary?

 

[Revoltingest]

Was that test necessary?

I don't know about any particular test.
But tests must be done regularly to
ensure that systems operate properly.

 

[Estro Felino]

Shades of Sudetenland.

2015: Ukraine was supposed to preserve the Russianness and the autonomy of the Donbass Republics by creating special republics, so to turn Ukraine into a diversified Federation. Like Russia.
A diversified Federation is a country where federal subjects are all different. Different powers.

2022: Ukraine has not done this de jure.
So Putin recognized their independence de facto.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't know about any particular test.
But tests must be done regularly to
ensure that systems operate properly.

I have read it was not necessary.
And that if it had never been performed, there would have been no disaster.
You have watched the series...they even say it in the last episode.

 

[Wandering Monk]

2015: Ukraine was supposed to preserve the Russianness and the autonomy of the Donbass Republics by creating special republics, so to turn Ukraine into a diversified Federation. Like Russia.
A diversified Federation is a country where federal subjects are all different. Different powers.

2022: Ukraine has not done this de jure.
So Putin recognized their independence de facto.

Ukraine became independent 30 years ago, all of it, including the Crimean and Donbas regions. Their independence was affirmed in 1994 by none other than the Russian Federation.
The Donetsk and Luhansk provinces only agitated for independence in 2014 with the help of Putin's little green men and weaponry.

 

[Estro Felino]

Ukraine became independent 30 years ago, all of it, including the Crimean and Donbas regions. Their independence was affirmed in 1994 by none other than the Russian Federation.
The Donetsk and Luhansk provinces only agitated for independence in 2014 with the help of Putin's little green men and weaponry.

Let there be referendums so they can decide who to be with.
What to be.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Let there be referendums so they can decide who to be with.
What to be.

Sudetenland ring a bell? Only 17% of Ukraine is ethnic Russian. God forbid that Europe accepts another 'Munich Agreement' if Putin pushes on and invades the entirety of Ukraine.

 

[Estro Felino]

Sudetenland ring a bell? Only 17% of Ukraine is ethnic Russian.

I am speaking of Donbas only.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have read it was not necessary.

That seems to be a Soviet design philosophy, ie, that if
some safety precaution is expensive, just assume it will
never be needed. My design philosophy is far more
conservative, ie, assume that mistakes & even sabotage
will happen, & design the product to perform well anyway.

And that if it had never been performed, there would have been no disaster.
You have watched the series...they even say it in the last episode.

Testing is necessary to ensure that safety systems
are working. But there are problems with having
poorly trained (Soviet trained) personnel who must
conduct tests with no mistakes.
I assume there will be mistakes using any product
I design. For example, on a truck air brake system
I designed, it would be impossible to assemble the
primary control unit improperly.

 

[metis]

I applaud this great man.
And I am so happy for these two Republics who are celebrating this great historical moment.

If being a neo-fascist, killing or imprisoning political "enemies", and starting wars is supposedly being a "great man", then he well qualifies.

 

[Flankerl]

The Crimean independence referendum was valid.
So there was no occupation. Crimeans decided to become part of the Russian Federation. Via referendum.

So you refuse to believe in the literal fact of the "little green men", who even the Kremlin has stated as covert Russian troops taking over Crimea?

You know that's crazy right?
There was no valid referendum (even if the result is realistic) because the standards weren't met.

Ethnic Ukrainians were terrorised in the time before the referendum.

Germans will refuse to pay a single cent more of power bills or methane bills..

That's not even a valid answer.
Germans are already paying the highest energy prices in Europe.
Now with US LNG the upcoming prices will quadruple.

Still, it's important to consider the historical origins, not just ancestry, but also culture. They were all Russians, even back when they were still under different principalities and having to deal with invaders from all directions.

But they weren't Russians.
They were (white, red, black Ruthenian Slavs, Novgorodian Slavs.
Moscow or Russia didn't even exist.

 

[Flankerl]

https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1495978202728210435

 

[Koldo]

Still, it's important to consider the historical origins, not just ancestry, but also culture. They were all Russians, even back when they were still under different principalities and having to deal with invaders from all directions.

As for the names, Russia obviously derives from "Rus'." Ukraine is derived from a Russian phrase "U kraina," which means "on the border" or (literally) "on the edge." The area had been invaded and taken over by Mongols, Tatars, Turks, Poles, Lithuanians, Germans - just to name a few. It was Russian, but the Russians lost it. The influences of all those other nations obviously had a long-term effect on the culture and language of the people living there to the point where it is considered a separate, identifiable nationality on its own.

Please note that I'm not saying this gives Russia any special rights to invade Ukraine. But the West is trying to pretend like it's some surprise, inexplicable aggression just based on Putin's own personal whimsy. I think this is a false characterization.

What would you say that qualifies someone as being russian?

 

[Stevicus]

What would you say that qualifies someone as being russian?

Rus' people - Wikipedia

The Rus' people (Old East Slavic: Рѹсь; Modern Belarusian, Russian, Rusyn, and Ukrainian: Русь, romanised: Rus'; Old Norse: Garðar; Greek: Ῥῶς, romanised: Rhos) were an ethnos in early medieval eastern Europe. The scholarly consensus holds that they were originally Norse people, mainly originating from present-day Sweden, settling and ruling along the river-routes between the Baltic and the Black Seas from around the 8th to 11th centuries AD. They formed a state known in modern historiography as Kievan Rus', which was initially a multiethnic society where the ruling Norsemen merged and assimilated with Slavic, Baltic and Finnic tribes, ending up with Old East Slavic as their common language. The elite of Kievan Rus' was still familiar with Old Norse until their assimilation by the second half of the 11th century,[1] and in rural areas vestiges of Norse culture lingered as long as the 14th and early 15th centuries.[1]

The history of the Rus' is central to 9th through 10th-century state formation, and thus national origins, in eastern Europe. They ultimately gave their name to Russia and Belarus, and they are relevant to the national histories of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. Because of this importance, there is a set of alternative so-called "Anti-Normanist" views that are largely confined to a minor group of East European scholars.