Putins poked a hornets nest,thousands volunteer to fight.

[MyM]

Really? Not see plenty of different views put forward on our media? Perhaps you just take the official line, from wherever, given you do so with regards one particular religious text.

omg am not even talkin religion

seriously...the media in the states is sooo messed up. You can't believe 75% of the time.

 

[Mock Turtle]

omg am not even talkin religion

seriously...the media in the states is sooo messed up. You can't believe 75% of the time.

What I was implying is that many of us are not allied to any particular truth, and hence why we do try to see both sides, but perhaps when you accept one particular religious text that might affect other areas too.

 

[sayak83]

possibly, but the west hear from media that is being dictated to them. Very easy to see.

That is probably because the media from the region you live in is simply a mouthpiece of the state....
The idea that Russia is a self sustaining domestic economy is simply laughable. Russia is quite a economically weak country wholly reliant on oil and gas and millitary weapons exports. It's foreign reserves has already been made unusable by the sanctions. If it's oil exports go bust, Putin will not have the money to pay the wages of his army soon enough.

 

[MyM]

What I was implying is that many of us are not allied to any particular truth, and hence why we do try to see both sides, but perhaps when you accept one particular religious text that might affect other areas too.

What because I am Muslim, I cannot view the world as I see it? lol seriously?

 

[MyM]

That is probably because the media from the region you live in is simply a mouthpiece of the state....
The idea that Russia is a self sustaining domestic economy is simply laughable. Russia is quite a economically weak country wholly reliant on oil and gas and millitary weapons exports. It's foreign reserves has already been made unusable by the sanctions. If it's oil exports go bust, Putin will not have the money to pay the wages of his army soon enough.

I hope so...but time will tell.

 

[Mock Turtle]

What because I am Muslim, I cannot view the world as I see it? lol seriously?

Seriously? Yes (as to be truth). Judging by your comments here (on RF).

 

[Guitar's Cry]

seriously...the media in the states is sooo messed up. You can't believe 75% of the time.

Depends on the outlet. There's a lot of bias from both sides of the political spectrum, but that's overcome with critical reading.

 

[MyM]

Seriously? Yes. Judging by your comments here.

I am an American. I lived in America grew up in America and actually more American than many here...seein I'm native.

My religion I haven't brought up once in this thread. I have been talking about Russia and the states. YOU BROUGHT IT UP and I didn't attribute anything to Islam one bit. My opinions are mine alone and I have every right to express them whether I am a Muslim or not.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I am an American. I lived in America grew up in America and actually more American than many here...seein I'm native.

My religion I haven't brought up once in this thread. I have been talking about Russia and the states. YOU BROUGHT IT UP and I didn't attribute anything to Islam one bit. My opinions are mine alone and I have every right to express them whether I am a Muslim or not.

Note my editing - since you seem to have misunderstood - here on RF.

 

[MyM]

Depends on the outlet. There's a lot of bias from both sides of the political spectrum, but that's overcome with critical reading.

True, but because the citizens are just that, people that live in the states, are fed many many untruths and distorted views. Am sure Russia and many many other countries do as well, but NO ONE WILL ADMIT TO IT. Before it used to be so much better but nowadays it's hard to trust anyone. Which is really sad.

 

[Stevicus]

It's pretty clear Putin underestimated Ukraine and it's capability of resisting the invasion,he also underestimated
the worlds response as thousands of foreign volunteers head for Ukraine from all over.

The Ukraine has waved visas after American volunteers complained of red tape,there are volunteers from far away as Japan but closer to Ukraine they're coming from all over Europe,this looks like it's heading for a long protracted bloodbath even if Kyiv falls.

Yes, it does seem clear that they underestimated the Ukrainians' commitment to staying independent. I'm actually surprised that they didn't anticipate this.

Perhaps the nationalistic Russians thought there would be a natural bond between the two Slavic, Orthodox nations which were once the same people.

It's not really a civil war, but it's not really a war between two totally foreign nations that never knew each other before. These two countries know each other quite intimately. This is more like a blood feud, like the Hatfields and the McCoys.

 

[questfortruth]

a long protracted bloodbath

I see no positives in it.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I do not see anything which will stop Russia. Resistance, Volunteers, Sanctions, arm supplies. For saving Ukraine and its people, Zelensky needs to resign, to be replaced by 1. a Russian Puppet, or 2. Some one who can come to terms with Russia.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

It's not really a civil war, but it's not really a war between two totally foreign nations that never knew each other before.

It really seems like it's just the work of elites. The russian troops don't seem like they even want to do it, or had expected to be sent. From what I can tell, it seems like there is a sizable gap between the perspective of the regular people, and the elite interests in russia. What ukraine can get you, is more money. Vast industrial zones, the most fertile soil in europe, water access, and mineral mining etc. Assurance that nato won't go there, if you control it

I highly doubt the regular people care about any of that, though. They likely just saw a kindred nation, with orthodox christian roots. Sort of a familiar place in the world, maybe even where some of your family is. But the elites want them to go conquer it

 

[pearl]

As for boosting the morale of the Ukrainians the other night the Metropolitan Opera;

Metropolitan Opera gives roaring rendition of the Ukrainian national anthem - Classic FM

 

[F1fan]

It's pretty clear Putin underestimated Ukraine and it's capability of resisting the invasion,he also underestimated
the worlds response as thousands of foreign volunteers head for Ukraine from all over.

The Ukraine has waved visas after American volunteers complained of red tape,there are volunteers from far away as Japan but closer to Ukraine they're coming from all over Europe,this looks like it's heading for a long protracted bloodbath even if Kyiv falls.

Mercenary groups is one thing I wondered about, much like the Flying Tigers were American pilots hired by China to fight the Japanese. I think Ukraine and the volunteers need to be careful about their identities and an official military relationship as Putin could use the citizenship of fighters as representative of their nations and ramp up action against NATO.

The real issue will be effective weapons making it to Ukraine and people knowing how to use them.

 

[F1fan]

omg am not even talkin religion

seriously...the media in the states is sooo messed up. You can't believe 75% of the time.

Then stop watching right wing sources.

But I will say that I have watched a variety of news outlets, including FOX just to see if they were backing the small pro-Putin faction of Republicans, and they were treating Russia as an immoral aggressor just like all other outlets. They didn't cover trump's comments but they did cover the invasion with their own reporters in Ukraine and their own set of military experts.

 

[F1fan]

I do not see anything which will stop Russia. Resistance, Volunteers, Sanctions, arm supplies. For saving Ukraine and its people, Zelensky needs to resign, to be replaced by 1. a Russian Puppet, or 2. Some one who can come to terms with Russia.

Would you?

The problem with your scenario is that Putin could see this as a winning recipe to invade the next independent country. The fight for Europe and NATO is in Ukraine. It's bad luck, and Zelensky was a bit too trusting of Putin before the invasion, but he is the right guy at the right time to stand up against Putin and his corrupt tyranny. Whatever happens to Ukraine and Zelensky will all be on Putin's head eventually. the more Putin pushes the more of a fight the Ukrainian people, and the world, will put up. This is Russia's path to decline.

 

[sun rise]

He could care less about people as already shown. Volunteers are just volunteers. Yet, Putin-Russia is a self sustained economical country/continent that sustains its own self. Not really much threat can get to that. It's budget is in surplus, national debt is already low and its inflation is low and it has plenty of reserves. So volunteers do nothing towards thwarting Russia.

You are not well informed. Look at the financial picture inside Russia. Look at all the weapons the West is giving to the brave Ukrainian people. Look at the volunteers, both Ukrainian and foreign streaming into Ukraine to oppose naked Russian aggression.

Russia may be able to conquer all of the Ukrainian cities by destroying them first but the West is waging a world war against the Russian economy. And Russia's pariah status is evident as the sports world refuses to have business as usual with the Russians.

Read the stories about how Microsoft is helping Ukraine repeal Russian cyber attacks, how Anonymous and other hacking groups are taking down computer facilities in Belarus and Russia.

This war is not just physical but political, economic and cyber world war.

 

[sun rise]

omg am not even talkin religion

seriously...the media in the states is sooo messed up. You can't believe 75% of the time.

Certainly true for the extremist right wing propaganda media. Even Fox's own reporters are calling out the lies of puppets like the Fox "commentators"