Putins poked a hornets nest,thousands volunteer to fight.

[England my lionheart]

Mercenary groups is one thing I wondered about, much like the Flying Tigers were American pilots hired by China to fight the Japanese. I think Ukraine and the volunteers need to be careful about their identities and an official military relationship as Putin could use the citizenship of fighters as representative of their nations and ramp up action against NATO.

The real issue will be effective weapons making it to Ukraine and people knowing how to use them.

I agree,having all the gear but no idea on how to use them is just cannon fodder really,get the gear to the right people.

 

[England my lionheart]

I see no positives in it.

At All sadly.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think the problem is, that they "underestimated" Russia and how easy it is for them to wipe Ukraine off the map. Sure, more will go in, but Russia is holding the cards on this one in my opinion.

Perhaps Ukraine should'a kept its nukes,
instead of giving them to Russia after the
USSR dissolved, eh.

 

[England my lionheart]

Yes, it does seem clear that they underestimated the Ukrainians' commitment to staying independent. I'm actually surprised that they didn't anticipate this.

Perhaps the nationalistic Russians thought there would be a natural bond between the two Slavic, Orthodox nations which were once the same people.

It's not really a civil war, but it's not really a war between two totally foreign nations that never knew each other before. These two countries know each other quite intimately. This is more like a blood feud, like the Hatfields and the McCoys.

Yes it's an odd conflict,for the general Russian soldiers bewildering if the news is to believed who were lied to,they also took their mobile phones away,blood feuds are mostly the bloodiest.

 

[England my lionheart]

I do not see anything which will stop Russia. Resistance, Volunteers, Sanctions, arm supplies. For saving Ukraine and its people, Zelensky needs to resign, to be replaced by 1. a Russian Puppet, or 2. Some one who can come to terms with Russia.

I disagree,a Russian puppet is the last thing the baltic states want,Moldova is vulnerable because it's neutral,Putin is a baby Stalin,imo this is an imortant place to stop him reclaiming the Soviet union.

 

[MyM]

Regardless, it still casts doubt on your ability to be rational and objective.

nonsense...don't undermine me please just because I am a Muslim. I wasn't all my life ya know and you don't know me.

 

[MyM]

You are not well informed. Look at the financial picture inside Russia. Look at all the weapons the West is giving to the brave Ukrainian people. Look at the volunteers, both Ukrainian and foreign streaming into Ukraine to oppose naked Russian aggression.

Russia may be able to conquer all of the Ukrainian cities by destroying them first but the West is waging a world war against the Russian economy. And Russia's pariah status is evident as the sports world refuses to have business as usual with the Russians.

Read the stories about how Microsoft is helping Ukraine repeal Russian cyber attacks, how Anonymous and other hacking groups are taking down computer facilities in Belarus and Russia.

This war is not just physical but political, economic and cyber world war.

yeah ok it isn't gonna get better just yet though...I think bad things are gonna be happenin for quite some time. God forbid

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think the problem is, that they "underestimated" Russia and how easy it is for them to wipe Ukraine off the map. Sure, more will go in, but Russia is holding the cards on this one in my opinion.

Putin is threatening about ratcheting things up.

He's certainly not backing down if this is any indication with Macron.

Putin : "The worse is yet to come".

 

[Aupmanyav]

I disagree,a Russian puppet is the last thing the baltic states want,Moldova is vulnerable because it's neutral,Putin is a baby Stalin, imo this is an important place to stop him reclaiming the Soviet union.

IMHO, Moldova authorities are wise. Putin has not attacked Moldova.
However, it is a good business for US to make money, supplying armaments; USD has strengthened. Forget the travails of Ukrainian people, make them fight a loosing war.

 

[England my lionheart]

IMHO, Moldova authorities are wise. Putin has not attacked Moldova.
However, it is a good business for US to make money, supplying armaments; USD has strengthened. Forget the travails of Ukrainian people, make them fight a loosing war.

There's no doubt that war is a money making opportunities but it's n6t just the USA that are supplying Ukraine.

 

[MyM]

IMHO, Moldova authorities are wise. Putin has not attacked Moldova.
However, it is a good business for US to make money, supplying armaments; USD has strengthened. Forget the travails of Ukrainian people, make them fight a loosing war.

America needs war to make money...think many know this now or are wising up to it. Still many don't know

 

[Martin]

Perhaps Ukraine should'a kept its nukes,
instead of giving them to Russia after the
USSR dissolved, eh.

Interesting point.

 

[Martin]

America needs war to make money...think many know this now or are wising up to it. Still many don't know

What % of US GDP stems from arms sales? And how much are they charging Ukraine for weaponry at the moment?

 

[Martin]

I disagree,a Russian puppet is the last thing the baltic states want,Moldova is vulnerable because it's neutral,Putin is a baby Stalin,imo this is an imortant place to stop him reclaiming the Soviet union.

Putin obviously wants to reestablish the Soviet empire, which means trying to get NATO out of Eastern Europe countries.
He's like a mafia boss trying to take over new territory by eliminating his rivals.

 

[MyM]

What % of US GDP stems from arms sales? And how much are they charging Ukraine for weaponry at the moment?

Can't say but just wait til the after...banks, defensive companies etc. America increases its deficits, all make money...american taxpayers end up payin for something they didn't do.

 

[Martin]

Can't say

So how is your point relevant to the discussion?
I don't think US bashing is a credible way to distract from Putin's nastiness. It's just whataboutism.

 

[MyM]

So how is your point relevant to the discussion?
I don't think US bashing is a credible way to distract from Putin's nastiness. It's just whataboutism.

I am not ashamed to admit it. I am pure American. I read online about how America made its money through the war of Iraq...wanna hear it?

 

[Stevicus]

America needs war to make money...think many know this now or are wising up to it. Still many don't know

I'm not sure it's so much a matter of "needing war" as much as it about needing control of resources, markets, currencies, and governments.

Sometimes, war is necessary to accomplish that goal, but not always.

 

[England my lionheart]

Putin obviously wants to reestablish the Soviet empire, which means trying to get NATO out of Eastern Europe countries.
He's like a mafia boss trying to take over new territory by eliminating his rivals.

Absolutely and now he's turning the Ukrainian cities into Stalingrad,a Russian millionaire has put a million dollars on his head so he deserves to die like a mafia boss.

 

[Martin]

I am not ashamed to admit it. I am pure American. I read online about how America made its money through the war of Iraq...wanna hear it?

Not really, because I don't see it's relevant to this thread. It just seems like a way to deflect attention away from Putin's horrendous behaviour.