ecco
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Indoctrination.
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Putting the JW Stand on Evolution in Perspective
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ecco
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I'll go along with that. However, that doesn't change the fact that JW leaders repeatedly stated the end was coming ______. When ______ came and went as just another day, the JW leaders just changed ______ to ------. No fulfillment, just more made-up silliness.
OK. Let's see one.
OK. Let's see one.
Oh good, finally. Another translation reads...
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
You write "At the time that was written, man did not have the ability to ruin the earth, even locally." Nonsense. Battles waged in cornfields destroyed the earth. Wells could be poisoned by dropping bodies into them.
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Putting it in context...the writer was saying: God will reward the good guys and mess up the bad guys. That's not prophecy. That's typical Bible wrath of god stuff.
ecco
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Your anti-progress rants are well established. However, they have no basis in fact...
Life Expectancy
Life expectancy has increased rapidly since the Enlightenment. Estimates suggest that in a pre-modern, poor world, life expectancy was around 30 years in all regions of the world. In the early 19th century, life expectancy started to increase in the early industrialized countries while it stayed low in the rest of the world. This led to a very high inequality in how health was distributed across the world. Good health in rich countries and persistently bad health in those countries that remained poor. Over the last decades, this global inequality decreased. Countries that not long ago were suffering from bad health are catching up rapidly. Since 1900 the global average life expectancy has more than doubled and is now approaching 70 years. No country in the world has a lower life expectancy than the countries with the highest life expectancy in 1800.
Life expectancy has increased rapidly since the Enlightenment. Estimates suggest that in a pre-modern, poor world, life expectancy was around 30 years in all regions of the world. In the early 19th century, life expectancy started to increase in the early industrialized countries while it stayed low in the rest of the world. This led to a very high inequality in how health was distributed across the world. Good health in rich countries and persistently bad health in those countries that remained poor. Over the last decades, this global inequality decreased. Countries that not long ago were suffering from bad health are catching up rapidly. Since 1900 the global average life expectancy has more than doubled and is now approaching 70 years. No country in the world has a lower life expectancy than the countries with the highest life expectancy in 1800.
ecco
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I am very proud of man's scientific achievements. I could list many wonderful scientific achievements. However, the greatest scientific achievement is giving mankind a true understanding of nature and thereby pulling back the curtain of religious darkness.
ecco
Veteran Member
In general, divorce rates among atheists is lower than among believers.
Some reading indicates that divorce rate among JWs is not what JW preaches.
Articles here...
Facts about the divorce rate of Jehovah's Witnesses
...show:
We can conclude from the above studies that there is no significant difference between fidelity or divorce rates of Jehovah's Witnesses and the general population.
It also says this:
When the 1997 Awake! compared 4.9% of German Witnesses as divorced with "one out of every two" worldly marriages, it displayed a terrible misuse of statistics, deceptively and inappropriately comparing two unrelated figures.
Deeje, if you honestly believe that JW divorce rates are lower than that of the general public, then you need to see where you get your information and ask why your leaders are lying.
ecco
Veteran Member
You seem to believe that all writings that are negative about JW come from disgruntled exs. I am not an ex-JW. I can just look at JW writings, comments and prophecies and see how bad it really is. I can also read your comments and compare some of your knowledge and beliefs to facts to see a great deal of deceptiveness, either in you or your teachers.
It is concerning when people live their lives based on religious fantasy. Just look to Branch Davidians or the followers of Heavens Gate or Jim Jones.
YOU live like the world will go on. Some Jehovah's Witnesses obey more strictly the scripture which says to obey those taking the lead and they live as though the end will be before they can ever graduate college and as though they will never need a pension.
Wisdom of Ages
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8%. A telling demonstration of the major misinformation indoctrination that goes on within the JW faith, which is no doubt abetted by their lack of higher education. Almost a fifth of their members never graduated from high school, the poorest showing of all the listed denominations.
Then there's this:
"JWs maintain that the Bible is consistent with modern science, except the entire field of evolutionary biology and parts of geology and archaeology, which are wrong because of the influence of Satan, pagan philosophy and depraved Christian clergy."
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One has to wonder why Satan picked on the entire field of evolutionary biology and parts of geology and archaeology to mislead those living in the last few 160 years, particularly when one considers its poor showing---only 33% of adults believe humans existed in their present form from the beginning.* One would think he would have picked a more profitable enterprise with which to mislead humans. Of course Satan, pagan philosophy, and a depraved Christian clergy have nothing to do with the dissemination of evolution, the basis of the JW ire, but the simple fact that JWs can't sell their literal reading of the Bible without using them to demonize its enemy, evolution. Evolutionary biology and those fields of science that support it aren't just wrong, but carry the heinous marks of the devil, paganism, and depravity. "Therefore dear JW member, don't even go near evolutionary writings lest ye be pulled away from your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and fall into lie filled pit of deception."
So, other than the 8% who know better, JWs come away with all the distorted talking points against evolution, but without the ability to back them up. Not that this comes as any surprise, but wouldn't it be nice if someone from the 8% came on board and stood up to the other 92%. However, I'm afraid it won't happen. The JWs are well known for their intolerance of competing ideas being circulated among members.
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JW is a VAMPIRE PARASITE CULT...invented by psychopath Charles Taze Russell who dropped dead just over 100 years ago and was played out of his own CULT by his other PSYCHOPATH VAMPIRE PARASITES....
the JW is a dangerous MIND and LIFE destroying CULT...obsessed with total control of its HYPNOTIZED sheeple drone slave base....now overseen by a small group of Psychotic Parasite Vampires who preach OBEDIENCE through some toilet paper
WATCHTOWER publication ! another PROPAGANDA PARASITE TOOL is the JW AWAKE ! (more like DIE newsletter)
regardless the JW has NOTHING to do with SPIRITUALITY and WELLNESS...these parasites infest the brain's neural network with expertly crafted HYPNOSIS PSYCHOSIS programming....rendering the JW VICTIM helpless and totally OBEDIENT to the VAMPIRES whim....SERVE and SUFFER is their motto...all are PUNISHED and under THREAT....
Worse than a Concentration Camp..the JW is truly a mind and life DESTROYING CULT....the highest priority is to cull young CHILDREN into submission....truly HORRIFIC....these parasites should be crucified for their CRIMES against HUMANITY
they use the JESUS hoax and their own sick twisted Bible version to drain the life from their sheeple victims...
PURE SLAVERY....this is the essence of the JW......like the flesh eating EBOLA VIRUS..the JW is a BRAIN DESTROYING VIRUS.....
All of the Christian CHURCH spins are nothing more then VAMPIRE PARASITE havens.....disgusting....
Just because I can.
You know, you guys get all over me when you think I change the intent and meaning of a materialist's quote, what you all call quote--mining.
Well, this quote of Ecclesiastes is taken out of context!
Do you know the context? What does it mean, all things "under the sun" is vanity?
In view of Proverbs 3 -- “Happy is the man that has found wisdom, and the man that gets discernment, for the gaining of it is better than the gaining of silver and the produce of it even than gold. It is more precious than corals, and all other delights of yours cannot be made equal to it. Length of days is in its right hand; in its left hand there are riches and glory. Its ways are ways of pleasantness, and all its roadways are peace. It is a tree of life to those taking hold of it, and those keeping fast hold of it are to be called happy.”
Do you think, maybe, Ecclesiastes 1 refers to worldly wisdom as opposed to Godly wisdom?
"The worldlywise person increases knowledge but uses that knowledge according to the wisdom of untheocratic men, and consequently he only increases pain for himself, as can be witnessed in the world today when there is more knowledge available in our libraries and schools and other institutions for gathering information than ever before and yet at the same time there has never been more pain on the part of mankind. Concerning this kind of wisdom the apostle Paul wrote: “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.”—1 Cor. 3:19."
Questions From Readers — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
ecco
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Why do you need to refer to Proverbs to explain Ecclesiastes?
Just to remind us what we are discussing...
"For in much wisdom is much vexation and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." - Ecclesiastes 1:18
Yeah. That's probably why some Bible thumpers rail against science.
People are living longer, healthier lives. Education levels are higher than in history.
People no longer die from smallpox. Plagues like the one that wiped out 1/3 of Europeans, are now isolated and controlled.
Perhaps you see a lot of pain in the folks in your immediate world - Jehova's Witnesses - and project that pain onto the rest of the world.
You live in a microcosm?
Tell this to people in the projects... or better yet, in Chad or the Sudan.
Can you walk down your neighborhood road at night w/o protection, confident no one will bother you?
“The love of the greater number will cool off.”- Matthew 24:12
I disagree that there is vexation in wisdom, or that there is such a thing as godly wisdom. What is being called godly wisdom is blind faith in ancient dicta. I don't consider that wise ever.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Two passages I frequently see creationists cite in defense of their deliberate ignorance...
1 Timothy 6:20-21 "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen."
...and...
1 Corinthians 1:19-27 "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty"
1 Timothy 6:20-21 "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen."
...and...
1 Corinthians 1:19-27 "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty"
ecco
Veteran Member
The people in the projects have hot and cold running water, toilets, TVs, cooking stoves and heat.
King Louis XIV in his palace, Versailles; had none of these things. Now think about how the French lower classes lived.
People in war torn regions never live well. Not 5000 years ago, not now. What are the two sides who are fighting? Muslims vs Christians. Just another little war inspired by "My God is better than your God".
Absolutely.
You failed to address:
People are living longer, healthier lives. Education levels are higher than in history.
People no longer die from smallpox. Plagues like the one that wiped out 1/3 of Europeans, are now isolated and controlled.
Again...
Perhaps you see a lot of pain in the folks in your immediate world - Jehova's Witnesses - and project that pain onto the rest of the world.
There are laws against child workers and people need not work twelve hours a day for six days. I call that much better.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
So...... basically....... you're not too impressed with the Watchtower and JWs?
@ecco , just some random quotes I found among some posters:
Some people are more aware of world conditions than others, I guess.
Some people are more aware of world conditions than others, I guess.
You might check this out. The Bible doesn't say that those sighing and groaning about World conditions will be marked for survival. It says those sighing and groaning about what is in their midst will be. In their midst means those taking the lead for their own righteousness. IN, not out.
How is technology translating over into a more secure, happier society. It isn't.
And yet, they continue to pop up.
Now we have more insidious diseases, like HIV, heart disease, the many types of cancers, etc.
And the plague, and Bubonic plague, and cholera, and malaria, and many others, still affect millions.