Q: for the one who uses the quotes from holy books/texts as an evidence of truth ?

[chinu]

Considering: As i have heard, mostly all the major holy texts of this world such as Quran, Bible, Gita, GGS, Vedas, Purans etc.. has been edited by the people thereafter. Here's my question for the people who uses quotes from these holy text as an evidences of truth.

How will they prove that the quotes which they are using as an evidence of truth has not been edited by the people thereafter ?

Either they should give any satisfactory answer, or they should stop increasing the weight of their sayings by using such quotes that are edited.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

As far as Buddhist scriptures go, the proof is in the pudding, as the old saying goes. Buddhists quote Buddhist scriptures as evidence because, quite simply, they produce what they say they do.

 

[GURSIKH]

Chinu each and every shabad of SGGS bear signature of Guru sahib ,how it can be edited ?

 

[chinu]

As far as Buddhist scriptures go, the proof is in the pudding, as the old saying goes. Buddhists quote Buddhist scriptures as evidence because, quite simply, they produce what they say they do.

Its ok, but how will you prove that they have not been edited by the people thereafter ?

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

Its ok, but how will you prove that they have not been edited by the people thereafter ?

It doesn't matter whether they were or weren't. They work, that's the main point. Chances are, most are probably at least edited by others, if not written by other outright. But the techniques work and produce what they say they do, whether they were true speeches of the Buddha or others.

 

[chinu]

It doesn't matter whether they were or weren't. They work, that's the main point. Chances are, most are probably at least edited by others, if not written by other outright. But the techniques work and produce what they say they do, whether they were true speeches of the Buddha or others.

What do you mean by THEY WORK ?

Have you got God, yet ? or
Have you realized Truth, yet ?
Have you got enlightrnment, yet ?
Have you realized how all this world was created, yet ?
Have you got Moksha/Salvation etc, yet ?

If no, than there's no meaning of saying, they work, or worked, YET.

 

[chinu]

Chinu each and every shabad of SGGS bear signature of Guru sahib ,how it can be edited ?

Gursikh ji,
I think, nobody is that big fool, that one will change the signature of guru sahib along with the quotes.

 

[chinu]

we don't believe that Quran had been edited by man we believe it's 100% pure word of Allah

Just google this matter, you will find several such topics on NET, and you are saying it has not been edited.

 

[rusra02]

Considering: As i have heard, mostly all the major holy texts of this world such as Quran, Bible, Gita, GGS, Vedas, Purans etc.. has been edited by the people thereafter. Here's my question for the people who uses quotes from these holy text as an evidences of truth.

How will they prove that the quotes which they are using as an evidence of truth has not been edited by the people thereafter ?

Either they should give any satisfactory answer, or they should stop increasing the weight of their sayings by using such quotes that are edited.

I believe the Bible has been verified as accurate by thousands of scrolls and copies that confirm the accuracy of Bibles today. As this quote from w11/1/09 reveals: "Professor Julio Trebolle Barrera, a member of the team of experts charged with studying and publishing the ancient manuscripts known as the Dead Sea Scrolls, says: “The transmission of the text of the Hebrew Bible is of extraordinary exactitude, without parallel in Greek and Latin classical literature.” Respected Bible scholar F. F. Bruce says: “The evidence for our New Testament writings is ever so much greater than the evidence for many writings of classical authors, the authenticity of which no one dreams of questioning.”
The Bible is unique among "sacred" writings, both in its availability to virtually all people in their native tongue, and its wide distribution, that dwarfs all other religious writings. The Bible's accurate history and fulfilled prophecies mark it as divinely inspired, IMO.

 

[chinu]

I believe the Bible has been verified as accurate by thousands of scrolls and copies that confirm the accuracy of Bibles today. As this quote from w11/1/09 reveals: "Professor Julio Trebolle Barrera, a member of the team of experts charged with studying and publishing the ancient manuscripts known as the Dead Sea Scrolls, says: “The transmission of the text of the Hebrew Bible is of extraordinary exactitude, without parallel in Greek and Latin classical literature.” Respected Bible scholar F. F. Bruce says: “The evidence for our New Testament writings is ever so much greater than the evidence for many writings of classical authors, the authenticity of which no one dreams of questioning.”
The Bible is unique among "sacred" writings, both in its availability to virtually all people in their native tongue, and its wide distribution, that dwarfs all other religious writings. The Bible's accurate history and fulfilled prophecies mark it as divinely inspired, IMO.

Sorry, either it is respected professor Julio Trebolle Barrera, or respected Bible scholar F. F. Bruce, But i cannot TRUST anybody except "MY DEAR JESUS"

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

What do you mean by THEY WORK ?

Have you got God, yet ? or
Have you realized Truth, yet ?
Have you got enlightrnment, yet ?
Have you realized how all this world was created, yet ?
Have you got Moksha/Salvation etc, yet ?

If no, than there's no meaning of saying, they work, or worked, YET.

I've progressed farther in spirituality practicing Buddhism than any other religion I've taken up. Not only that, we have both the experiences, and the resulting actions, of Buddhists who have attained high degrees of attainment. So, from my personal experience, and the experience of other practitioners, I can say, yes, they work. At every level, I've been given detailed instructions, and what to expect, and how and why they work, and they have been proven right thus far. So I have no reason to doubt any of it.

 

[McBell]

Considering: As i have heard, mostly all the major holy texts of this world such as Quran, Bible, Gita, GGS, Vedas, Purans etc.. has been edited by the people thereafter. Here's my question for the people who uses quotes from these holy text as an evidences of truth.

How will they prove that the quotes which they are using as an evidence of truth has not been edited by the people thereafter ?

Either they should give any satisfactory answer, or they should stop increasing the weight of their sayings by using such quotes that are edited.

Those who quote Holy Text as absolute truth do so because they believe it to be absolute truth.
They feel no need to prove any thing because to them it is already absolute truth.

 

[rusra02]

Sorry, either it is respected professor Julio Trebolle Barrera, or respected Bible scholar F. F. Bruce, But i cannot TRUST anybody except "MY DEAR JESUS"

I was simply answering your question. You are free to accept or reject the evidence, but I believe you will be the richer spiritually by examining the evidence for the Bible's inspiration.

 

[chinu]

I've progressed farther in spirituality practicing Buddhism than any other religion I've taken up. Not only that, we have both the experiences, and the resulting actions, of Buddhists who have attained high degrees of attainment. So, from my personal experience, and the experience of other practitioners, I can say, yes, they work. At every level, I've been given detailed instructions, and what to expect, and how and why they work, and they have been proven right thus far. So I have no reason to doubt any of it.

What have you progressed in spirituality ? dyanaprajna.
Do you care to give any details ?

 

[chinu]

Those who quote Holy Text as absolute truth do so because they believe it to be absolute truth.
They feel no need to prove any thing because to them it is already absolute truth.

Are you the one of THOSE ? mestemia ?

 

[LuisDantas]

Its ok, but how will you prove that they have not been edited by the people thereafter ?

They have, at the very least by way of translation.

And that is ok. There is no particular reason to avoid that. Scripture is not meant to be static, because it is written in language whose meaning changes among time periods and cultures. And that is before considering that society itself and its level of knowledge and wisdom changes as well.

There is no way of having meaningful static scripture that I can think of. I wonder why Muslims and so many other Abrahamists make a point of believing that it can exist.

 

[chinu]

I was simply answering your question. You are free to accept or reject the evidence,

That's not the evidence, you are just refering me some unenlightened people who are not equal to jesus.

but I believe you will be the richer spiritually by examining the evidence for the Bible's inspiration.

But, who will test my rich spirituality thereafter ? again you will give the name of those unenlightened people, rather than jesus. Am i right ? Rusra.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

What have you progressed in spirituality ? dyanaprajna.
Do you care to give any details ?

I'll give you a few things, but I won't go over everything here. I've learned to control my emotions, particularly my temper. I've learned to be more forgiving and especially understanding. I've even become more energetic, and my body heals a bit quicker than it had started too once I began to get a bit older. These are just a few things that I've accomplished.

But now, I'm really going to give you a shocker. Not only do the Buddhist scriptures have value whether or not the Buddha spoke them, there's a good chance that the Buddha, Siddhartha Gautama, never even existed, and all the texts attributed to him were really written by various people over a length of time. But none of that matters. Their value is in their application and pragmatism, not in who it was that wrote them or said them.

 

[chinu]

I'll give you a few things, but I won't go over everything here. I've learned to control my emotions, particularly my temper. I've learned to be more forgiving and especially understanding. I've even become more energetic, and my body heals a bit quicker than it had started too once I began to get a bit older. These are just a few things that I've accomplished.

But now, I'm really going to give you a shocker. Not only do the Buddhist scriptures have value whether or not the Buddha spoke them, there's a good chance that the Buddha, Siddhartha Gautama, never even existed, and all the texts attributed to him were really written by various people over a length of time. But none of that matters. Their value is in their application and pragmatism, not in who it was that wrote them or said them.

That's all good, but you haven't knowed how the whole world that you see all you was created, or who you truely are, or God, have you ? Or you might be thinking that these edited scriptures can lead you to answer/realizeation to these questions one day, But for the time being you are not yet.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Considering: As i have heard, mostly all the major holy texts of this world such as Quran, Bible, Gita, GGS, Vedas, Purans etc.. has been edited by the people thereafter. Here's my question for the people who uses quotes from these holy text as an evidences of truth.

How will they prove that the quotes which they are using as an evidence of truth has not been edited by the people thereafter?

For the Baha'is, this is an easy answer!

Unlike the scriptures of earlier religions, the Baha'i Faith has the ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPT of every one of its 200 volumes of scripture present in its archives at the Baha'i World Center!

And if there's something for which we don't have the original, then it isn't Baha'i scripture no matter how "inspirational" it might be.

Simple as that, and Q. E. D.!

Peace,

Bruce