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Quantum Science as Indirect Evidence of God?

Ostronomos

Ostronomos

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Does Quantum Science indirectly and more than subtly imply a God? The conclusion that there is a God is the final conclusion in a series of questions regarding the metaphysical. This is because God exists at the highest level of comprehension. The idea that consciousness can be generated from thin air is not new. The hard problem of consciousness as a scientific study is seriously considering universal consciousness to be an inherent property of all matter. Thus we have the idea of matter generating mind being understood in a whole new light. I have always been a champion of the belief that there are no mysteries in the universe and that nothing is strange. And that if one could duplicate the complexity of the human brain down to the last neuron we could generate consciousness. After all, if we had the resources, the proper reconstruction of a conscious mind should be possible.

The Quantum Sciences seem to be the field in which the Quantum mind and consciousness is explicated. Inherent phenomenon such as entanglement seem to escape full comprehension but are recognized as real nevertheless. These Quantum phenomenon, if they were fully explained in the future, may be accomplished by tying and integrating them into an explanation on consciousness. For if consciousness is not exclusive to living things, then perhaps it can be applied in general to a wide array of scientific fields.
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

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Ostronomos said:
Does Quantum Science indirectly and more than subtly imply a God? The conclusion that there is a God is the final conclusion in a series of questions regarding the metaphysical. This is because God exists at the highest level of comprehension. The idea that consciousness can be generated from thin air is not new. The hard problem of consciousness as a scientific study is seriously considering universal consciousness to be an inherent property of all matter. Thus we have the idea of matter generating mind being understood in a whole new light. I have always been a champion of the belief that there are no mysteries in the universe and that nothing is strange. And that if one could duplicate the complexity of the human brain down to the last neuron we could generate consciousness. After all, if we had the resources, the proper reconstruction of a conscious mind should be possible.

The Quantum Sciences seem to be the field in which the Quantum mind and consciousness is explicated. Inherent phenomenon such as entanglement seem to escape full comprehension but are recognized as real nevertheless. These Quantum phenomenon, if they were fully explained in the future, may be accomplished by tying and integrating them into an explanation on consciousness. For if consciousness is not exclusive to living things, then perhaps it can be applied in general to a wide array of scientific fields.
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I do not see any connection at all
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Ostronomos said:
Does Quantum Science indirectly and more than subtly imply a God? The conclusion that there is a God is the final conclusion in a series of questions regarding the metaphysical. This is because God exists at the highest level of comprehension. The idea that consciousness can be generated from thin air is not new. The hard problem of consciousness as a scientific study is seriously considering universal consciousness to be an inherent property of all matter. Thus we have the idea of matter generating mind being understood in a whole new light. I have always been a champion of the belief that there are no mysteries in the universe and that nothing is strange. And that if one could duplicate the complexity of the human brain down to the last neuron we could generate consciousness. After all, if we had the resources, the proper reconstruction of a conscious mind should be possible.

The Quantum Sciences seem to be the field in which the Quantum mind and consciousness is explicated. Inherent phenomenon such as entanglement seem to escape full comprehension but are recognized as real nevertheless. These Quantum phenomenon, if they were fully explained in the future, may be accomplished by tying and integrating them into an explanation on consciousness. For if consciousness is not exclusive to living things, then perhaps it can be applied in general to a wide array of scientific fields.
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The key to seeing that Consciousness is all-pervading, is to first come to terms with the self.* Once thoroughly examined, it will be seen that the self is an illusion. That means that there is no individual consciousness, and if there is no individual consciousness, then the consciousness you are experiencing is not an individual consciousness, but the consciousness of the Universe, of which you are integrated into to the degree of 100%.

That there is a God is another issue.

*https://samharris.org/the-illusion-of-the-self2/
 
Ostronomos

Ostronomos

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godnotgod said:
The key to seeing that Consciousness is all-pervading, is to first come to terms with the self.* Once thoroughly examined, it will be seen that the self is an illusion. That means that there is no individual consciousness, and if there is no individual consciousness, then the consciousness you are experiencing is not an individual consciousness, but the consciousness of the Universe, of which you are integrated into to the degree of 100%.

That there is a God is another issue.

*https://samharris.org/the-illusion-of-the-self2/
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Consciousness is one all-pervading universal? Interesting. But if that is the case, do we then label it non-local?
 
Ostronomos

Ostronomos

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In Quantum science, there exists the phenomenon of virtual particles popping into existence from nothing. If we extend this concept to consciousness, then the idea of a universal consciousness popping into existence from nothing isn't far-fetched.
 
Valjean

Valjean

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Ostronomos said:
The connection between consciousness and Quantum Mechanics lies in the fact that consciousness is generated at the microscopic level and spans into macroscopic manifestation as subjective understanding.
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How did you arrive at that conclusion?

My impression is that quantum mechanics &al, support the conclusion that our conscious perception of the world is an artificial, neurological construct; an abstraction that allows us to navigate the world without really perceiving its Reality.
 
David T

David T

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Premium Member
Ostronomos said:
Does Quantum Science indirectly and more than subtly imply a God? The conclusion that there is a God is the final conclusion in a series of questions regarding the metaphysical. This is because God exists at the highest level of comprehension. The idea that consciousness can be generated from thin air is not new. The hard problem of consciousness as a scientific study is seriously considering universal consciousness to be an inherent property of all matter. Thus we have the idea of matter generating mind being understood in a whole new light. I have always been a champion of the belief that there are no mysteries in the universe and that nothing is strange. And that if one could duplicate the complexity of the human brain down to the last neuron we could generate consciousness. After all, if we had the resources, the proper reconstruction of a conscious mind should be possible.

The Quantum Sciences seem to be the field in which the Quantum mind and consciousness is explicated. Inherent phenomenon such as entanglement seem to escape full comprehension but are recognized as real nevertheless. These Quantum phenomenon, if they were fully explained in the future, may be accomplished by tying and integrating them into an explanation on consciousness. For if consciousness is not exclusive to living things, then perhaps it can be applied in general to a wide array of scientific fields.
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You have potential as a science fiction writer. I would just say nature, God, cosmos are three sounds we make that we attach definition to by magic! So as a sound are you saying does the sound exist independent from the one speaking it!? A bit like breathing without air isn't it, if the answer is a literal yes.
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
godnotgod said:
The key to seeing that Consciousness is all-pervading, is to first come to terms with the self.* Once thoroughly examined, it will be seen that the self is an illusion. That means that there is no individual consciousness, and if there is no individual consciousness, then the consciousness you are experiencing is not an individual consciousness, but the consciousness of the Universe, of which you are integrated into to the degree of 100%.

That there is a God is another issue.
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Quantum research, specifically the "butterfly effect" aka chaos theory shows that a small action in one place can have a large result in another. That leads to the thought that a person who perceives the result of a small action could act in a way to cause that large effect, aka a "miracle" to occur.

There have also been papers exploring the concept of non-local consciousness as well as quantum entanglement as an explanation for non-local consciousnesses.

I think it's fair to say that this research does demonstrate that there are theories which explain some of the claims without offering definitive proof.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
sun rise said:
Quantum research, specifically the "butterfly effect" aka chaos theory shows that a small action in one place can have a large result in another. That leads to the thought that a person who perceives the result of a small action could act in a way to cause that large effect, aka a "miracle" to occur.

There have also been papers exploring the concept of non-local consciousness as well as quantum entanglement as an explanation for non-local consciousnesses.

I think it's fair to say that this research does demonstrate that there are theories which explain some of the claims without offering definitive proof.
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We have definite proof, here:


Since that series of experiments, there have been other more modern versions which confirm non-locality, but here is the original paper in downloadable .pdf format:

http://www.deanradin.com/FOC2014/Grinberg1994.pdf
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

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Ostronomos said:
The connection between consciousness and Quantum Mechanics lies in the fact that consciousness is generated at the microscopic level and spans into macroscopic manifestation as subjective understanding.
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I have no idea what you mean by that statement.
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
Ostronomos said:
The connection between consciousness and Quantum Mechanics lies in the fact that consciousness is generated at the microscopic level and spans into macroscopic manifestation as subjective understanding.
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What does that have to do with quantum mechanics?

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ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Ostronomos said:
Does Quantum Science indirectly and more than subtly imply a God? The conclusion that there is a God is the final conclusion in a series of questions regarding the metaphysical. This is because God exists at the highest level of comprehension. The idea that consciousness can be generated from thin air is not new. The hard problem of consciousness as a scientific study is seriously considering universal consciousness to be an inherent property of all matter. Thus we have the idea of matter generating mind being understood in a whole new light. I have always been a champion of the belief that there are no mysteries in the universe and that nothing is strange. And that if one could duplicate the complexity of the human brain down to the last neuron we could generate consciousness. After all, if we had the resources, the proper reconstruction of a conscious mind should be possible.

The Quantum Sciences seem to be the field in which the Quantum mind and consciousness is explicated. Inherent phenomenon such as entanglement seem to escape full comprehension but are recognized as real nevertheless. These Quantum phenomenon, if they were fully explained in the future, may be accomplished by tying and integrating them into an explanation on consciousness. For if consciousness is not exclusive to living things, then perhaps it can be applied in general to a wide array of scientific fields.
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No.


The quantum mind/consciousness is hypothesis, nothing more than speculation so lets fill a gap with quantum
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Ostronomos said:
Does Quantum Science indirectly and more than subtly imply a God? The conclusion that there is a God is the final conclusion in a series of questions regarding the metaphysical. This is because God exists at the highest level of comprehension. The idea that consciousness can be generated from thin air is not new. The hard problem of consciousness as a scientific study is seriously considering universal consciousness to be an inherent property of all matter. Thus we have the idea of matter generating mind being understood in a whole new light. I have always been a champion of the belief that there are no mysteries in the universe and that nothing is strange. And that if one could duplicate the complexity of the human brain down to the last neuron we could generate consciousness. After all, if we had the resources, the proper reconstruction of a conscious mind should be possible.

The Quantum Sciences seem to be the field in which the Quantum mind and consciousness is explicated. Inherent phenomenon such as entanglement seem to escape full comprehension but are recognized as real nevertheless. These Quantum phenomenon, if they were fully explained in the future, may be accomplished by tying and integrating them into an explanation on consciousness. For if consciousness is not exclusive to living things, then perhaps it can be applied in general to a wide array of scientific fields.
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There's a lot of things that look like conclusions there. Like the day the microscope was invented and we could peer into a whole new world I think we got to get something put together first that can do essentially the same thing on the quantum level. Until then nobody knows. I don't think it's a God or anything given that everything else up to date doesn't indicate any.
 
Ostronomos

Ostronomos

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I hold to the idea that all that we see before us is not all there is.

https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/why-a-g...ntum-level

https://www.learning-mind.com/quantum-th...ter-death/

Hameroff and Penrose are two genius scientists that believe they have found evidence for the soul. Basically, structures known as microtubules which exist in the brain, are carriers of quantum information. These structures collect information during the person's life and are "drained" into another universe at death. The information is stored in these microtubules which exist in each and every neuron in the brain. Consciousness, Penrose says, is like superposition in that qubits of information exist in multiple states and instantaneously congregate to produce a calculation. The immaterial soul, after the body dies, is transmigrated into a parallel universe which Everett proposed.
 
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