Question About Jesus' Return

[DavyCrocket2003]

If Jesus were to return, would you believe it was genuine or a hoax? Would you accept that this person really was Jesus, or would you think him an imposter? Just curious.

When Jesus Christ comes again, he will be magnificent and glorious. We will be amazed and excited. Those who are not destroyed by his presence will wonder at the sight (as if "sight" was an adequate description of such an experience). When he speaks, we will know that his words are truth. When he says "I am Jesus Christ", we will all believe him.

 

[Midnight Pete]

When Jesus Christ comes again, he will be magnificent and glorious. We will be amazed and excited. Those who are not destroyed by his presence will wonder at the sight (as if "sight" was an adequate description of such an experience). When he speaks, we will know that his words are truth. When he says "I am Jesus Christ", we will all believe him.

Yes, but we should understand that there have been many false Christs, many impostors. Pathetically transparent to some, supernaturally convincing to others. This is part of End Time Prophecy.

Here is a link to one of the most egregious offenders of recent history.

Jose Luis De Jesus Miranda EXPOSED!

 

[Venatoris]

Yes, but we should understand that there have been many false Christs, many impostors. Pathetically transparent to some, supernaturally convincing to others. This is part of End Time Prophecy.

Here is a link to one of the most egregious offenders of recent history.

Jose Luis De Jesus Miranda EXPOSED!

Exactly, Jose is a very good example of a false prophet claiming to be the second coming(descendant of Jesus by his definition). He has no supernatural powers but some Christians believe he is the real deal. This, to me, discounts the idea that a christian will know the true Christ when they see him.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Exactly, Jose is a very good example of a false prophet claiming to be the second coming(descendant of Jesus by his definition). He has no supernatural powers but some Christians believe he is the real deal. This, to me, discounts the idea that a christian will know the true Christ when they see him.

Why is it that only a small number of Christians swore their loyalty to Jose? It's because the preposterous claims made by him are a dead give-away. We are forewarned in Scripture against false messiahs and how to see through their demonic deceptions.

Jose's claims include:

* Sin no longer applies
* The devil is dead
* Christan churches not under his control must be destroyed
* Jose and his Government of God church are destined for world domination
*Jose has the Number of the Beast tattooed under his hairline, "666" and says that people's understanding of Antichrist is mistaken

BTW, Government Of God (or GOG) is a very significant term in End Times Prophecy.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

If Jesus were to return, would you believe it was genuine or a hoax? Would you accept that this person really was Jesus, or would you think him an imposter? Just curious.

According to me belief, the bible teaches Jesus will not return in such a way that we would have an instant to ponder whether or not it is him. I believe when Jesus returns the world will be shaken, and all the world will know Jesus has returned instantly.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Well, I could waste my time and answer you but why argue further about someone/something you don't believe in ?
God has certain demands that must be met if we are to get into a relationship with him Heb.11v6 being the most basic. No further detailed discussion would serve any purpose if faith in him is not our starting point. Afraid you will just have to wait until more evidence is available to you. :yes:

Right. So, if I read you right; for a discussion to have meaning for you all participants have to start out believing the assumption that the Christian god is real?

Sounds rather cowardly to me.
Are you really -that- afraid of getting your world-view challenged?

 

[Beta]

According to me belief, the bible teaches Jesus will not return in such a way that we would have an instant to ponder whether or not it is him. I believe when Jesus returns the world will be shaken, and all the world will know Jesus has returned instantly.

You have got it in one !:yes:

 

[Beta]

Right. So, if I read you right; for a discussion to have meaning for you all participants have to start out believing the assumption that the Christian god is real?

Sounds rather cowardly to me.
Are you really -that- afraid of getting your world-view challenged?

No friend - there is nothing 'cowardly' not wishing to continue a merry dance that has no happy ending. It would be a constant stepping on each others toes since we are not in rhythm and unity.
I prefer a smooth dance to a wild hop. Just preference friend ! :bow:

 

[Midnight Pete]

You have got it in one !:yes:

Seconded. :yes:

 

[Venatoris]

Why is it that only a small number of Christians swore their loyalty to Jose? It's because the preposterous claims made by him are a dead give-away. We are forewarned in Scripture against false messiahs and how to see through their demonic deceptions.

The numbers of people who believe in him really make no difference. By the law of averages, at least some of the believers are good Christians(like yourself) who simply have different expectations for the second Christ. Jose is not a demonic force plaguing the earth, he is simply a greedy manipulative man and we have plenty more where he came from. I still contend that you, yourself, may be mislead by any person who can meet your expectations of Christ before the real second coming. The same concept applies to insects drawn to a bug zapper. They are hypnotized by the brilliant, magnificent light and willingly fly straight to their death.

 

[jarofthoughts]

No friend - there is nothing 'cowardly' not wishing to continue a merry dance that has no happy ending. It would be a constant stepping on each others toes since we are not in rhythm and unity.
I prefer a smooth dance to a wild hop. Just preference friend ! :bow:

Well, if one is to have a fruitful discussion of any kind it is paramount that there are different points of view. Otherwise the "discussion" is nothing more than two people patting each other's backs, which, while it might be comforting, is no way to progress anywhere.

Also, I'm not sure what you consider a happy ending, but I'm continually looking to get my view of the world challenged and I'm open to the idea that I might be wrong. However, I also base my view of reality on empiricism and evidence, and anything falling outside that category, be it angels, demons, gods, unicorns, faeries and whatnot, is simply disregarded until positive evidence of their existence emerges. And yes, to be clear, I do place all of the above in the same "box".

Still, even with that notion, there is such a thing as internal logic and consistency, which was the basis of my questions; to learn whether such a thing was present in your view of reality. Much can be learned from knowing how people think, even if one does not end up agreeing with them.

 

[Midnight Pete]

The numbers of people who believe in him really make no difference. By the law of averages, at least some of the believers are good Christians(like yourself) who simply have different expectations for the second Christ. Jose is not a demonic force plaguing the earth, he is simply a greedy manipulative man and we have plenty more where he came from. I still contend that you, yourself, may be mislead by any person who can meet your expectations of Christ before the real second coming. The same concept applies to insects drawn to a bug zapper. They are hypnotized by the brilliant, magnificent light and willingly fly straight to their death.

If the con is good enough, I guess anyone can be fooled. People will believe a big lie more readily than a small one, or so the Nazi Minister of Propaganda once said. If the lie is big enough, even the most intelligent people won't allow themselves to question it for fear of having to doubt their own intelligence.




:tsk: I AM NOT COMPARING MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS TO NAZI PROPAGANDA!! :tsk:

 

[Beta]

However, I also base my view of reality on empiricism and evidence, and anything falling outside that category, be it angels, demons, gods, unicorns, faeries and whatnot, is simply disregarded until positive evidence of their existence emerges.

This then my friend is our stumbling-stone.
You are still firmly rooted in the material here and now while I have moved on to a spiritual future. Sure I'm still here in body but I can no longer side with the present as having priority and importance.

 

[jarofthoughts]

This then my friend is our stumbling-stone.
You are still firmly rooted in the material here and now while I have moved on to a spiritual future. Sure I'm still here in body but I can no longer side with the present as having priority and importance.

And that is where the scary part of religion comes in.

 

[ZooGirl02]

When Jesus returns, everyone will believe it is genuine because there will be no mistake about it. Shortly after He returns, He will judge the whole world and everyone who has ever been conceived. This will be the final judgment. There will be no chance to believe that His return is fake.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

Yes, but we should understand that there have been many false Christs, many impostors. Pathetically transparent to some, supernaturally convincing to others. This is part of End Time Prophecy.

Here is a link to one of the most egregious offenders of recent history.

Jose Luis De Jesus Miranda EXPOSED!

We have some very clear scriptures that teach us how to judge whether a prophet is true or false.

15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So it should be as clear as daylight from the dark night whether a prophet is true or false. What are his fruits? Look at the end result of the things he teaches. Does it cause people to do good? Does it inspire people to live better lives? Does it make the world a better place?

 

[Luminous]

If Jesus came back as a talking dog would you murder him out of fear?

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

Well, if one is to have a fruitful discussion of any kind it is paramount that there are different points of view. Otherwise the "discussion" is nothing more than two people patting each other's backs, which, while it might be comforting, is no way to progress anywhere.

Also, I'm not sure what you consider a happy ending, but I'm continually looking to get my view of the world challenged and I'm open to the idea that I might be wrong. However, I also base my view of reality on empiricism and evidence, and anything falling outside that category, be it angels, demons, gods, unicorns, faeries and whatnot, is simply disregarded until positive evidence of their existence emerges. And yes, to be clear, I do place all of the above in the same "box".

Still, even with that notion, there is such a thing as internal logic and consistency, which was the basis of my questions; to learn whether such a thing was present in your view of reality. Much can be learned from knowing how people think, even if one does not end up agreeing with them.

Well thought out. I like your style. You are still respectful when you come across something you likely consider obviously absurd. Thanks. It makes me for one more interested in what you have to say.

JarOfThoughts. As we go through life, we build up a model of the universe in which we reside. As we have new experiences and are exposed to new situations we add to our model and make changes as necessary. What do we do if something occurs that completely defies explanation by any of the previous models we've assembled about the way things work? I have no other way to explain my life's experiences than this model: I am the son of a loving, Heavenly Father that cares about me and wants me to become like him. Although I can almost imagine how crazy this sounds to you, nothing could be more real to me.

 

[Beta]

And that is where the scary part of religion comes in.

Too true friend !
I am all too aware of the horrendous abuse religion can practice. This world is full of it and all come to be because of unbelief and disobedience to the Creator.:sad4:

 

[jarofthoughts]

Too true friend !
I am all too aware of the horrendous abuse religion can practice. This world is full of it and all come to be because of unbelief and disobedience to the Creator.:sad4:

I am fairly sure you missed my point...