Question About Jesus' Return

[Beta]

I am fairly sure you missed my point...

So what else is scary about religion ?
Perhaps you have something definite in mind ?

 

[jarofthoughts]

So what else is scary about religion ?
Perhaps you have something definite in mind ?

If you read the quote I originally commented on I'm sure you will see that the scary part of religion comes from detachment from reality and adherence to non-evidence based notions about what is important and not.

 

[Beta]

If you read the quote I originally commented on I'm sure you will see that the scary part of religion comes from detachment from reality and adherence to non-evidence based notions about what is important and not.

Yes - got it !
Well, you can consider me to be ' in transit ' or even ' transformation '. Even in this life we find ourselves to be in daily transit between two places , doesn't mean you have lost contact with reality.
We can have a similar experience in the spirit. Not being spirit-minded this can seem a little ot to some. Don't want to scare you !:no:

 

[jarofthoughts]

Yes - got it !
Well, you can consider me to be ' in transit ' or even ' transformation '. Even in this life we find ourselves to be in daily transit between two places , doesn't mean you have lost contact with reality.
We can have a similar experience in the spirit. Not being spirit-minded this can seem a little ot to some. Don't want to scare you !:no:

I don't scare easily, but I also don't see any reason to think that there is anything supernatural, such as a spirit. (I realize that the word can be used metaphorically as well).

 

[Beta]

I don't scare easily, but I also don't see any reason to think that there is anything supernatural, such as a spirit. (I realize that the word can be used metaphorically as well).

Being a teacher I did not think much would scare you - but you came up with that word not me.(My granddaughter is also a teacher and she is pretty fearsome - well to kids anyway).
Perhaps we had better get away from spirits or future human potential if we want to further commune.(shouldn't you pay attention to class before they run riot ???).

 

[jarofthoughts]

Being a teacher I did not think much would scare you - but you came up with that word not me.(My granddaughter is also a teacher and she is pretty fearsome - well to kids anyway).
Perhaps we had better get away from spirits or future human potential if we want to further commune.(shouldn't you pay attention to class before they run riot ???).

Perhaps "worrisome" would be a better word then "scary" in that respect.
And I'm not at work at the moment.

 

[Midnight Pete]

If Jesus came back as a talking dog would you murder him out of fear?

Truthfully, I would not expect Jesus to come back as anything but a man. After all, his epiphet is Son of Man and not Son of Dog. Did you know that "Son of Sam" David Berkowitz was goaded into his committing crimes by a talking dog?

The idea of a talking dog might be satanic.

 

[Beta]

Perhaps "worrisome" would be a better word then "scary" in that respect.
And I'm not at work at the moment.

It can be a little 'worrisome 'to find oneself talking with someone who seems to have lost their marbles . Basically I still function without the help of psychiatry so no need to worry . I have learnt my lesson not to talk out of school.

 

[Luminous]

Truthfully, I would not expect Jesus to come back as anything but a man. After all, his epiphet is Son of Man and not Son of Dog. Did you know that "Son of Sam" David Berkowitz was goaded into his committing crimes by a talking dog?

The idea of a talking dog might be satanic.

no, i did not know that.
but that was the point. -_-

talking animals...especially dogs are usually seen in various cultures as scary signs of danger and scary and are equoted with demons...just like the pharasee's comments on Jesus' magical healings. a talking dog would be scary and feared...especially talking strays. The Son of Sam was a radical Satanist - You can't really be Satanist without partly believing in the Neo-Judeo construct of Satan/Lucifer.
I guess my point would be... how would Jesus prove to you who he 'was'?

 

[sniper762]

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 129
Instructions given by Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, February 9, 1843, making known three grand keys by which the correct nature of ministering angels and spirits may be distinguished. HC 5: 267.
1–3, There are both resurrected and spirit bodies in heaven; 4–9, Keys are given whereby messengers from beyond the veil may be identified.
1 There are two kinds of beings in aheaven, namely: bAngels, who are cresurrected personages, having dbodies of flesh and bones—

2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not aflesh and bones, as ye see me have.

3 Secondly: the aspirits of bjust men made cperfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.

4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.

5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.

6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—

7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the aorder of heaven for a just man to bdeceive; but he will still deliver his message.

8 If it be the adevil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not bfeel anything; you may therefore detect him.

9 These are three grand akeys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.

 

[Midnight Pete]

no, i did not know that.
but that was the point. -_-

talking animals...especially dogs are usually seen in various cultures as scary signs of danger and scary and are equoted with demons...just like the pharasee's comments on Jesus' magical healings. a talking dog would be scary and feared...especially talking strays. The Son of Sam was a radical Satanist - You can't really be Satanist without partly believing in the Neo-Judeo construct of Satan/Lucifer.
I guess my point would be... how would Jesus prove to you who he 'was'?

By being true to how the Bible presents him. Beyond that, I don't know.

 

[Starsoul]

Again, the question stands unanswered.

Can there be other beings with superhuman powers?
And if so, HOW would you know the difference if one of them posed as Jesus?

Yes offcorse there are, If you knew about magic, you would know about the slightly supra natural powers of magic,( which is done by and through satan) But! its very weak and temporary in effect.. probably like waking up from a bad dream, or a temporary high, and with a very dulling, depressive effect.

As for how would we know if there's an impostor of Hazrat Eessah (pbuh)i.e, Prophet Jesus (real name Eessah, in the real arabic scripture of bible), well we have been given signs in our scripture in order to differentiate, but thats secret knowledge ,not to be shared with those who do not believe.

 

[tomato1236]

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 129
Instructions given by Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, February 9, 1843, making known three grand keys by which the correct nature of ministering angels and spirits may be distinguished. HC 5: 267.
1–3, There are both resurrected and spirit bodies in heaven; 4–9, Keys are given whereby messengers from beyond the veil may be identified.
1 There are two kinds of beings in aheaven, namely: bAngels, who are cresurrected personages, having dbodies of flesh and bones—

2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not aflesh and bones, as ye see me have.

3 Secondly: the aspirits of bjust men made cperfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.

4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.

5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.

6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—

7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the aorder of heaven for a just man to bdeceive; but he will still deliver his message.

8 If it be the adevil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not bfeel anything; you may therefore detect him.

9 These are three grand akeys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.

I'm pretty sure we have some doctrine explaining more global signs than this. It would take quite a while for everyone to shake his hand, don't you think? Look up some scriptures about the second coming and post.

 

[Beta]

well we have been given signs in our scripture in order to differentiate, but thats secret knowledge ,not to be shared with those who do not believe.

Not sure which scriptures you refer to friend but from what I can see in the Bible ALL TRUTH is there except unbelievers can not perceive it since their mind is closed. It comes down to a matter of attitude toward God and Christ. Nothing to do with passing on secrets or not.

 

[Starsoul]

Not sure which scriptures you refer to friend but from what I can see in the Bible ALL TRUTH is there except unbelievers can not perceive it since their mind is closed. It comes down to a matter of attitude toward God and Christ. Nothing to do with passing on secrets or not.

thats exactly what I meant .Isn't it strange(or ironic) how all Hell topics are started by atheists only? So much for lack of belief, if they were really so not bothered about it, they wouldn't show such an organized agitation over it

why even bother yourself with a concept which you 'continue to deny and disbelief?'

 

[Luminous]

By being true to how the Bible presents him. Beyond that, I don't know.

Which Bible? and why can't satan do that? and why cant satan have inspired the various idol scriptures?

 

[Luminous]

Not sure which scriptures you refer to friend but from what I can see in the Bible ALL TRUTH is there except unbelievers can not perceive it since their mind is closed. It comes down to a matter of attitude toward God and Christ. Nothing to do with passing on secrets or not.

it humors me how the anti-agnostics' minds are closed to eachother.

 

[Luminous]

thats exactly what I meant .Isn't it strange(or ironic) how all Hell topics are started by atheists only? So much for lack of belief, if they were really so not bothered about it, they wouldn't show such an organized agitation over it

why even bother yourself with a concept which you 'continue to deny and disbelief?'

I remember my Sunday school teacher asking why anyone would believe in re-incarnation...

 

[Luminous]

I Have a Message from God, divinely inspired into my conscious from IT's gracious self: You are all agnostic...that is how you were created, that is how you remain, that is how you will be. But i will not shake your hand, because i can't.

 

[Beta]

Which Bible? and why can't satan do that? and why cant satan have inspired the various idol scriptures?

You are now entering a labyrinth of GUESSWOK for which we have no recorded writings -
so that can't be helpful :no: