Evidently Christian means whatever the world decides.
Christians are what they decide, whether it is following what jesus taught, or joining the KKK and harassing black neighbors. It is up to any self-proclaimed Christiaan to decide how they want to be seen by others.
I explained why that's not true. You don't want to accept it... go ahead with what you want to believe.
Explanations have to meet certain criteria of reason to be accepted by critical thinkers. No one owes your views automatic credibility. You have to earn it. If you fall short, you're getting something wrong. Accusing critical thinkers of being wrong for their skilled thinking is ironic.
I thought you learned something, but that was foolish of me, knowing what I came to realize from our conversation.
You seem to have a sense of entitlement just because you are a fervent believer in ideas that can't be shown to be true objectively and via evidence.
You start off again with the same irrational biased thinking... "Christians don't come to sound conclusoons... They learn from an early age..."
These are observations. If you have evidence as to why what is observed isn't true then provide evidence and a coherent explanation, complaining is what children do.
There are Christians today... many of them, who were atheist for most their life. So "Christians don't come to sound conclusoons... They learn from an early age..." is not a sensible statement to make.
Atheists are a set of people who have spent time actively considering religious ideas. You seem to be confusing non-religiously active people as atheists. That is manipulative. You are trying to tweek the data to make it seem like there are atheists who have a change of heart over religious ideas.
What happens to some folk is they don't think about religion at all, but at some point in their life they have a crisis or get married or some other reason to identify with religious ideas. These folks have already been exposed to the ideas all their life, and now they are just deciding to value them. They don't think about religious ideas and deem them improbable, the ideas are simply dormant.
It's not well thought out, and demonstrated irrationality.
Oh the irony. Your objectivity and reasoning skill is dismal.
You say "Most theists are like little robots who can't think for themselves.", but you don't know that to be true, you just say things.
Some theists are like robots, and we see that in cases like
this.
No religious person comes to rational conclusions a God exists, they learn to believe these ideas from others in their social experiences. We can say this because no believer has ever provided adequate evidence and an expanation why they have concluded a God exists. All the arguments we know about, like the Kalam, suffer a fatel flaw in that they rely on certain assumptions that are not justified.
Most do think for themselves, and that's why religion is so divided, because persons make a decision to do things their way.
MOST? Thanks for acknowledging I am at least partially correct. No doubt you exempt yourself. You are partially correct because many folks do convert from one religion to another, and while the details change it is quite easy to do because none of the general or specific ideas have any evidence. A Christian can convert to Islam quite easily because there is no consequence to rejecting Jesus as savior (except to Christians, just once you reject Christianity the consequence of damnation is rejected too).
If they didn't think for themselves, all Muslims, for example, would be following ISIS, or some other group, but they wouldn't be divide, because they can't think for themselves.
ISIS and the KKK are both extremist groups and the ideas turn off most people who have a conscience. That doesn't mean that al otherwise good person can't be indoctrinated into extremism, which has hapvened. There are cases of people being radicalized into extremism, and that is due to the weakness of the human emotions.
Then there are those who carry off the moneys from people who are misled by their wn desire to do things their way.
Oh yes. They know what they are doing. They are thinking for themselves.
Greed and theft is thinking FOR the self. The same applies to Christians or Muslims who condemn non-believers for not believing in their particular religious frameworks. I suggest Christians and Muslims have a war to the death, and the victor can get back to we atheists as purveyers of the "truth". Or do you think Muslims have the truth in equal levels as you do?
If you don't know what a Christian is, to start with, you will obviously come to the wrong conclusion.
There is no single "Christian" as a definition. At best it is exceptionally vague. Are you a liberal Universalist? Do you speak in tongues? Do you reject science because of being indocrinated by creationists, which is a religious framework? Are you a member of the KKK? All these are Christians, but they disagree on many issues.
It's like the lady that said, she was robbed by two officers at gunpoint.
When asked to describe her attackers, she said, they were handsome, well groomed, wore nice jeans and denim jackets.... and they said they were cops.
You do exactly the same. "Oh, they were well dressed in their nice Sunday clothes, and they go into their religious building... sometime hardly... and they say they are Christians.
Then he names Catholic. Oh dear. Compare their history with the apostles.
This is incoherent.
People with kind hearts exist in every society... even in the most corrupt and violent groups. You don't know that?
Good people make good atheists and good theists. Bad people make bad atheists and bad theists. Religion doesn't make bad people good.
I truly and honestly wish you demonstrated reasonableness.
Then you would realize that what you call a tactic, is not any different to what you are doing, just that we have two different views, but you only see your view as righ. Yyou can't see how wrong your thinking is, unless you are willing to look outside that box you closed you mind inside.
When you are ready to listen, we can talk, but as it stands, you are blindsided - closed minded.
You can't rebut what I reason, so you complain.
When your statements mesh with reality, it would indicate to me that there is hope of a reasonable conversation.
Think about what you are saying... outside that box.
Review it, and tell me where I am wrong... don't just talk on... saying things that are not true.
More complaining and no effort to demonstrate I'm incorrect.
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