Question for Non-vegetarians.

[ImmortalFlame]

Determined by compassion.

So why do you have no compassion for plants? Are you saying it's okay to kill something as long as you don't have as much compassion for it?

 

[SomeRandom]

I would add that I personally would not want to eat any animal that is close to being self-aware and that includes the apes, dolphins, dogs and the like.

Fair enough.

 

[shunyadragon]

Which tissue of animals, then, produces B12? No animal can produce B12, and in our current day, there is no need to eat animals products specifically for B12 (who are sometimes fed B12 supplements in the first place!).

Vegetarian animals have developed intense B12 producing bacteria in their guts, like ruminant animals, and humans lack this ability. B12 suppliments do compensate for the lack of B12 in the diet. This is an unnatural artificial supplementing an unnatural diet.

I won't disagree with that, but surely one cannot ignore the repercussions of animal products in one's diet.

The principle repercussions of animal products in the modern diet are: (1) Far too much meat in the diet. (2) unnatural mass production of meat by terrible environmental consequences. (3) An unballenced diet in combination with a very high consumption of unnatural refined and selectively bred high glycemic carbohydrates.

It is a myth that the Paleo diet was high in meat products. The evidence indicates that is was very diverse omnivorous diet relatively low in red meat.

Actually humans evolved without dairy products, which were later began introduced in a mesic belt across central Europe and Asia where the domestication of goats and sheep occurred. Humans in these regions evolved for this diet with greatly reduced problems of lactose intolerance, In Africa, Native Americans, and southern Asia where dairy production arrived late lactose intolerance remains high.

Humans also evolved without potatoes, and corn, which were introduced later. Unfortunately for most of the world corn and potatoes were selectively bred to even higher in high glycemic carbohydrates.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Answer me.

Demanding, aren't we?

If Man killing a Man is Crime. Than, why Man killing Animals isn't a Crime?

You - or PETA, or both - need to do your research. Under current laws, killing a person "just because" is illegal, and defined as murder. Killing an animal "just because" is also illegal, and deemed animal cruelty or criminal abuse. It can't be defined as murder, as the victim is not a person, but it is illegal and punishable all the same.

Killing a person in self-defense is not illegal. Just as killing an animal to survive because our bodies are biologically omnivorous and we require complex proteins found in red meat is not illegal.

Its not a debate between vegetarian and non-vegetarian.

Then why title your thread "question for non-vegetarians" and set yourself up on the vegetarian pedestal?

If you want to ensure happiness and peace for the animals, then why end their lives?

Having actually taken a life via mercy killing... sometimes there is no better option. I couldn't say how exactly this relates to eating, other than that we have the capacity to slaughter relatively peacefully, rather than inducing the fear of the hunt, or forcing our prey to succumb to death by small tears and wounds.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's a crime to kill man because man was made in God's image. I'll say it again. It's not because you'd be killing a man, it's because you'd be killing something made in God's image. Animals are not made in God's image.

It's illegal to murder because it victimizes the innocent and violates the rights of others. It's an obvious law because it's necessary to maintain order, without which societies would collapse. The reasons have more to do with logic than they do religion.

 

[chinu]

Incorrect, they scream, but just not with sounds for your ears.

The smell of grass when you mow? Screaming.

There's a lot of difference between Grass and Animal.
like.. there's difference between your Hairs, and Head.
like.. there's difference between your Finger, and Finger-Nail.

You go to the barber's shop to get your hairs cut. But you never go to any shop to get your fingers cut.
Hairs, and Fingers. Both are the parts of same body.

Nature has provided us very good examples for being compassionate to other creatures.

Be compassionate and try to feel the difference. We are human-beings with a plenty of compassionate-sense provided by nature inside us.

Cheers!

 

[chinu]

Killing a person in self-defense is not illegal. Just as killing an animal to survive because our bodies are biologically omnivorous and we require complex proteins found in red meat is not illegal.

Please don't use the word SURVIVE because there are vegetarian people all around the globe who are SURVIVING in all conditions and weathers of this earth.

Then why title your thread "question for non-vegetarians" and set yourself up on the vegetarian pedestal?

Oh! yes I forgot that. Thank you so much for pointing this out.
Thank you

 

[chinu]

So why do you have no compassion for plants? Are you saying it's okay to kill something as long as you don't have as much compassion for it?

Of course.
You go to the barber's shop to cut your Hairs, but never go to cut your fingers.
There's difference.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Please don't use the word SURVIVE

No, I'm going to keep using that word. Because, you see, my wife is all but forced to be vegetarian due to developed allergies and intolerances. Rather than managing "as usual" or better than people who eat meat, she has to buy synthesized proteins and minerals that she cannot get from a purely vegetarian diet, which is not only difficult for her, but far more expensive as well.

So, yes. I'm going to use the word survive. Because we are biologically omnivorous, and our bodies require meat just as much as fiber.

 

[chinu]

No, I'm going to keep using that word. Because, you see, my wife is all but forced to be vegetarian due to developed allergies and intolerances. Rather than managing "as usual" or better than people who eat meat, she has to buy synthesized proteins and minerals that she cannot get from a purely vegetarian diet, which is not only difficult for her, but far more expensive as well.

So, yes. I'm going to use the word survive. Because we are biologically omnivorous, and our bodies require meat just as much as fiber.

You are correct. Vegetarian remedy can be expensive. But its not impossible.
Something being expensive doesn't gives the right to extort others right to live.

Don't forget that sometimes people also die when they aren't capable of buying an expensive treatments/operations, Hence this doesn't mean that they should kill a doctor.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You are correct. Vegetarian remedy can be expensive. But its not impossible.

Thanks to modern pharmaceuticals. Without synthetic (read: non-natural) supplements, she would quite likely be malnourished, and have a myriad of other health issues.

Something being expensive doesn't gives the right to extort others right to live.

Contrary to popular wishful thinking, there is no right to life, for anything. Life is not handed to you, and every day it is taken from you. If you want life, you have to fight for it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Of course.
You go to the barber's shop to cut your Hairs, but never go to cut your fingers.
There's difference.

So you're saying the reason you eat plants but don't eat animals is because you have less compassion for them?

Then you have the answer to all your questions in the OP.

 

[james bond]

The title is misleading. Isn't this about right to live and food? What's important is the food must be clean. Then there is the pecking order.

 

[Callisto]

Its a certain view-point, not religion.

Uh, religions are viewpoints and certainly contribute to the overall view points of their adherents. For many, their religious views are the dominant contributor.

Because they don't shout when they are eaten.

That's a silly reason. You can't personally perceive or interpret another classification's form of communication so it doesn't count? Plants let off volatiles which is their form of "screaming".

Yes, am the part of same community, but, with certain view-point.
And, I hope, I can have certain view-point.

What does that have to do with what was asked? It makes little sense to initiate a topic for responses and not expect questions in return. You were asked to clarify.

There's nothing to wonder. Human eat animals just for the sake of taste. I know that very well.

The same can be said for eating plants. That should also be known very well. However, neither meat or vegetation are eaten solely for taste, there are nutritional values in each.

 

[Callisto]

Of course.
You go to the barber's shop to cut your Hairs, but never go to cut your fingers.
There's difference.

False equivalence. Your hair is dead cells that you get trimmed at a hair salon, just like fingernails are dead cells which you get trimmed at a nail salon. Both are made of keratin, dead cells. Your fingers and scalp are covered in an organ, i.e. living tissue.

 

[shunyadragon]

Please don't use the word SURVIVE because there are vegetarian people all around the globe who are SURVIVING in all conditions and weathers of this earth.

I do not consider SURVIVING as an adequate goal for success.

All weather conditions?!?!? It is extremely difficult if not impossible to be vegetarian and live in the arctic the way Eskimos do.

Do you consider vegan to be the criteria for vegetarian? How do you view Ovo or Lacto Vegetarian?

Many if not most people who promote vegetarianism do so from a religious perspective such as the Seventh Day Adventist or Vedic beliefs.

 

[Wirey]

Question for Non-vegetarians.

If Man killing a Man is Crime.
Than, why Man killing Animals isn't a Crime ?

Just because they cannot speak, or report somewhere ?
Or you think that they don't want to live ?
Or you think that they don't feel pain when you kill them for the sake of taste, or hunger ?

Answer me.

They're not people, so screw 'em.

 

[Vinayaka]

They're not people, so screw 'em.

Would you buy me a salad if I bought you a burger?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I would add that I personally would not want to eat any animal that is close to being self-aware and that includes the apes, dolphins, dogs and the like.

Curious why you mentioned dogs. To me dog reverence is more of a cultural thing. Animal intelligence and emotional quotience testing puts pigs higher than dogs. Do you skip the bacon?

 

[Wirey]

Would you buy me a salad if I bought you a burger?

Like a date?