Question For Wiccans

[Flavius]

Are Christians Celebrating Your Holy days and then looking down on you for being Wiccan?

 

[Storm]

I'm no longer Wiccan, but that's how I saw it (and still do). It's pretty funny, at least to me.

 

[Gentoo]

I'm no longer Wiccan, but I do observe some of their Wheel. I find it funny that people try to put ownership on something like a holiday. It's no one's and it's everyone's at the same time.

Besides, how could Christians, who have been around for at least 2,000 years steal holidays from a religion that is barely 60 years old?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I think this question should be broadened to include all Pagans, but yes, Christians basically do celebrate all our old holy days. I join in with them, in a secular sense. Things don't always remain the same. In some ways maybe, the Christians made our holidays better.

 

[fallingblood]

I don't think ownership on a holiday can really be done. Let's look at Christmas. I don't think it really can even be labeled as strictly a Christian holiday. Take the idea of Jesus out of Christmas and you still have Christmas.

 

[LoTrobador]

Do Christians celebrate Pagan Holidays, or do Christians celebrate Christian Holidays at the same time Pagan Holidays are being celebrated?

 

[Azakel]

Do Christians celebrate Pagan Holidays, or do Christians celebrate Christian Holidays at the same time Pagan Holidays are being celebrated?

This is what I'm thinking. Many Christian Holidays were put where they are ether by early Christian hiding there believes and rituals as to not be killed by the ruling Pagans, and later on when Christianity was in Power they put them there to try and make it easy for the Pagans to convert.

 

[Flavius]

I don't think ownership on a holiday can really be done. Let's look at Christmas. I don't think it really can even be labeled as strictly a Christian holiday. Take the idea of Jesus out of Christmas and you still have Christmas.

Jesus doesn't have a single thing to do with Christmas, He never has.

 

[Flavius]

This is what I'm thinking. Many Christian Holidays were put where they are ether by early Christian hiding there believes and rituals as to not be killed by the ruling Pagans, and later on when Christianity was in Power they put them there to try and make it easy for the Pagans to convert.

They celebrated Christmas{The solstice} in 135 a.d. to save their lives and to deny God's Holy days, In my opinion, They denied Jesus right then and there and everyone who has followed has done the same thing in my opinion.

 

[Flavius]

Do Christians celebrate Pagan Holidays, or do Christians celebrate Christian Holidays at the same time Pagan Holidays are being celebrated?

After the heinous Jewish war, Jews were hated by the whole world because of that war, They hated anybody that had anything to do with the Jews.

A severe Jewish Tax was put in place against the Jews and if you did anything that had to do with a Jewish Messiah, You had to pay this Tax and you were hated.

They had a bid hand in seperating christians from going to Jewish synogogues with Jews and the fire at the great synogogue broke the camels back.

The Jews wanted the christians out and the Roman world wanted to seperate the christians from the Jews.

Hadrian made Jewish feasts such as the Passover punishable by death and the fall of Jerusalem in 135 ran all the Jews out of Jerusalem, Hadrian ordered Jews out under penalty of Death and Greek orthodox Christians took over the synogogues instituting the Pagan Solstice as agreed between Hadrian and the Christians.

The council of Nicae was formed and they said,'' Let us have nothing to do with the custom of the Jews{God's Traditions} in that the committed a nefarious crime in killing our Lord''

Christians accepting Pagan Holy days had nothing to do with trying to appeal to the Pagans.

The Once Pagan New Christians simply went back to what they had been celebrating all their lives and they denied the Passover of Jesus, They denied the Pentecost of Jesus and they denied anything to do with a Jewish Jesus making the Jesus they then worshipped a seemingly Pagan Messiah.

 

[Gentoo]

...In my opinion, They denied Jesus right then and there and everyone who has followed has done the same thing in my opinion.

I thought:

Jesus doesn't have a single thing to do with Christmas, He never has.

 

[enchanted_one1975]

Paganism has been around a lot longer than Christianity. It only stands that when you invent a new religion (like Christianity) that you will use stuff from other faiths that you are somewhat familiar with. This is much like how all the sitcoms on TV have the same theme behind them. They copied off of Three's Company many years ago and have been copying off each other since. All that matters is that I know the truth about my own path. Let the rest scramble around aimlessly.

 

[Flavius]

I thought:

Christmas was being celebrated in Ezekiel and Jeremiah warns against it,

Jesus was born on the first day of the feast of Tabernacles and this day was set out out for him to be born on and it's provable by the prayers of Zacharaih, John the baptist's father.

It was designated for the birth of Jesus because there is no pagan God who was not born on the winter solstice.

My Mother, My father and all my family celebrates Christmas and I don't see it as that much of a big deal anymore but it takes away from the true day.

It was begun in 135 a.d.

My children celebrate Christmas and I'm strictly against it because I believe it does deny Jesus and his ways and the Holy days appointed for the Messiah.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Notice though Enchanted One that they didn't copy any of our holy days- The Feast of the Beautiful Valley, the Feast of the Beautiful Reunion, Wep Ronpet, etc.

 

[Flavius]

Paganism has been around a lot longer than Christianity. It only stands that when you invent a new religion (like Christianity) that you will use stuff from other faiths that you are somewhat familiar with. This is much like how all the sitcoms on TV have the same theme behind them. They copied off of Three's Company many years ago and have been copying off each other since. All that matters is that I know the truth about my own path. Let the rest scramble around aimlessly.

This is why so many books have been written saying,'' Jesus was never born''

Because you are correct, many things in Christianity were celebrated by Mithraism, Zorasterism and many others, But Jesus has his own appointed days.

They are not the Holy days that the mainstream follows in my opinion.

 

[Gentoo]

It was designated for the birth of Jesus because there is no pagan God who was not born on the winter solstice.

I was unaware that there were known birth dates for: Apollo, Ares, Dionysus, Hades, Heaphestus, Hermes, Poseidon and Zeus. Or Aken, Anubis, Ra, Horus, Geb, Osiris, Set Sobek etc. Or that they were even all born on the same day.. that's kinda amazing.

 

[Gentoo]

I'll repost it, since I just Editted it in: "Besides, how could Christians, who have been around for at least 2,000 years steal holidays from a religion that is barely 60 years old?"

 

[enchanted_one1975]

This is why so many books have been written saying,'' Jesus was never born''

Because you are correct, many things in Christianity were celebrated by Mithraism, Zorasterism and many others, But Jesus has his own appointed days.

They are not the Holy days that the mainstream follows in my opinion.

I have no doubt there was a man named Jesus that was born around that time. He is not my savior though. I am responsible for behaving while on earth. That will be my own salvation. I have my own special days too. If someone were to pass a rumor about me being a great religious figure would someone be discussing me like this in another 2000 years? Remember that there are many holy days and many faiths. Yet there are only 365¼ days in the modern calendar. The modern calendar has not been around forever either.

 

[enchanted_one1975]

I'll repost it, since I just Editted it in: "Besides, how could Christians, who have been around for at least 2,000 years steal holidays from a religion that is barely 60 years old?"

Good point. Even though I am living right in the middle of it all, I often don't think about Wicca being a newer religion. I think about its Pagan roots and I just brainfart the details. I guess your reasoning does make it impossible for the Christians to steal anything from Wicca unless they have done it recently. :yes:

 

[Storm]

There is only one winter solstice, it's the rebirth of the Sun every year.

All those people you have listed were born on that day, and all those people's religion revolved around the sun, All Those people you mentioned also came from the worship of one man.

Please provide a source for your claim that all the Gods Gentoo listed were born on the Winter Solstice.