Question -- not a debate but...about life on earth

[YoursTrue]

the article says “coronal hole”, not your claim of it being a “black hole”.

What you are saying, and what the article is saying, are two completely different things, in which you have completely misunderstood what the article is saying.

ok, I didn't know that, thanks. I obviously erroneously thought it was a black hole.

 

[YoursTrue]

A sunspot? They aren't holes exactly. They are places where the Sun's surface isn't quite as bright as the rest of the surface. This is believed to be because the Sun's very active magnetic field is preventing hot plasma from the interior from rising to the surface in those areas. So they might better be thought of as clogs than holes.

The concentration of magnetic field in those regions can suddenly release and produce solar flares. These won't burn up the Earth, but they might interfere with radio communications and produce extraordinarily bright auroras.



I don't expect the Sun to destroy the Earth for a long time yet. Billions of years. Humans are unlikely to even be around then.

As to whether science has the "answers to life", that depends on what questions are being asked. Science has lots of answers about life, but there's still a tremendous amount that science just doesn't know. From how to define 'life' in the first place, through how life originated, through what other kinds of 'life' are possible out there in the universe (which depends on how we define it).

Science is making great strides in understanding how life develops from fertilized egg to complete organisms, the role of the genome in that, and evolution has supplied an over-arching paradigm that makes sense of much of what's observed in biology and its deep history from its unknown origins to now.

But it's still baby-steps.

I still believe God can and will overcome any obstacles that seem to be in the path of everlasting life on earth.

 

[YoursTrue]

The objective verifiable evidence has determined that the earth and our solar system are not forever. In our sun will grow, and the earth ias we know it will die. Don't worry this will for 1,5 billion years. In about 5 bullion years the earth will be a cinder and the sun will die.

OK, here I was thinking we might be having a somewhat decent discussion about sediment but from your continual berating of me, my mistakes and my belief, all I can say is maybe -- SAYONARA! Have a good one. Thanks for allowing me to see things. Not paranormal, but as they are. Take care.

 

[YoursTrue]

Usual Modus Operandi. Her self imposed ignorance is overwhelming. Of course she refused to respond.

I'm not always on the internet as you seem to suggest I should be. Sorry if I missed any of your supercilious comments. Take care and have a good day. I still am enjoying the dictionaries I got from the library on geology and earth science. Thanks! And -- have a good one. Bye.

 

[shunyadragon]

I'm not always on the internet as you seem to suggest I should be. Sorry if I missed any of your supercilious comments. Take care and have a good day. I still am enjoying the dictionaries I got from the library on geology and earth science. Thanks! And -- have a good one. Bye.

Bye again?

 

[shunyadragon]

ok, I didn't know that, thanks. I obviously erroneously thought it was a black hole.

Careful selectively citing non-scientific magazines. National Geogaphic is for the most part accurate, but it is not a scientific journal and can be selectively cited and misleading. For example the relationship between basalt and sediments. Yes Basalt weathers to sediments of hundreds of thousands and millions of years.

 

[YoursTrue]

Careful selectively citing non-scientific magazines. National Geogaphic is for the most part accurate, but it is not a scientific journal and can be selectively cited and misleading. For example the relationship between basalt and sediments. Yes Basalt weathers to sediments of hundreds of thousands and millions of years.

Ok take care

 

[YoursTrue]

Bye again?

Yup because you keep referring to me as ignorant. Willful which is not true. Not a good teaching method and it's time for me to say bye bye.

 

[gnostic]

ok, I didn't know that, thanks. I obviously erroneously thought it was a black hole.

Yes, it isn’t a black hole.

a black hole is when a star many times more massive than our sun, where the star collapse on its own gravity AFTER the star’s core stop fusing hydrogen (due to depletion of hydrogen). The outer layers of the star would collapse onto the core, making the core even denser, and it will pull any objects (eg planets) too close to the dead star, into this black hole. The gravitational force would be strong enough to even pull light into collapse star.

That’s not going to happen with our sun, because the sun isn’t massive enough.

Our sun will also not explode, as in supernova, because again, there are not enough mass in the sun.

Our sun is a yellow dwarf star, and the core of the sun, is currently fusing hydrogen atoms into helium, through thermonuclear fusion. This process is called Stellar Nucleosynthesis. you needs to understand some basic about nuclear physics, particularly nuclear fusion, to understand the fusion happening in any star’s core.

The core is much more denser than the outer layers of star. The nuclear fusion is where most of the heat and energy come from, that’s what heat up all the other layers of a star, including the surface of the star, the photosphere.

When our sun collapse, it is when the core stops fusing hydrogen into helium, but if it is hot enough, it will start fusing helium atoms into heavier atom, like oxygen or carbon. When helium nucleosynthesis start, the star will grow in volume, to the size of red giant star, probably large enough to consume the planet Mercury. Because the star will be closer in distance to the Earth, the heat and solar winds from red giant will either blow away or evaporate gases of the Earth’s atmosphere. The Earth will become something like what Venus is today.

But as the red giant cool, the outer layers will break away from the star, eventually leaving only the core behind. This core would all that left of our sun, and the red giant will become a white dwarf star.

That would be the fate of the Sun, but the Sun will not become a red giant for another 4 or 5 billion years.

as to the article that you have cited. If the solar winds occurred last week, then we have no problem, because our atmosphere is still intact, today. One of the things it may affect, are satellites we have in orbit. It is highly unlikely that this latest solar wind will cause mass extinction event.

 

[shunyadragon]

Yup because you keep referring to me as ignorant. Willful which is not true. Not a good teaching method and it's time for me to say bye bye.

Yes, You have expressed ignorance of the knowledge of the sciences of evolution that can be found in basic texts and research articles making numerous false statements though you say you have reached the conclusion that evolution is false. Based on what knowledge of science do you base this rejection of evolution?

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, it isn’t a black hole.

a black hole is when a star many times more massive than our sun, where the star collapse on its own gravity AFTER the star’s core stop fusing hydrogen (due to depletion of hydrogen). The outer layers of the star would collapse onto the core, making the core even denser, and it will pull any objects (eg planets) too close to the dead star, into this black hole. The gravitational force would be strong enough to even pull light into collapse star.

That’s not going to happen with our sun, because the sun isn’t massive enough.

Our sun will also not explode, as in supernova, because again, there are not enough mass in the sun.

Our sun is a yellow dwarf star, and the core of the sun, is currently fusing hydrogen atoms into helium, through thermonuclear fusion. This process is called Stellar Nucleosynthesis. you needs to understand some basic about nuclear physics, particularly nuclear fusion, to understand the fusion happening in any star’s core.

The core is much more denser than the outer layers of star. The nuclear fusion is where most of the heat and energy come from, that’s what heat up all the other layers of a star, including the surface of the star, the photosphere.
Thank
When our sun collapse, it is when the core stops fusing hydrogen into helium, but if it is hot enough, it will start fusing helium atoms into heavier atom, like oxygen or carbon. When helium nucleosynthesis start, the star will grow in volume, to the size of red giant star, probably large enough to consume the planet Mercury. Because the star will be closer in distance to the Earth, the heat and solar winds from red giant will either blow away or evaporate gases of the Earth’s atmosphere. The Earth will become something like what Venus is today.

But as the red giant cool, the outer layers will break away from the star, eventually leaving only the core behind. This core would all that left of our sun, and the red giant will become a white dwarf star.

That would be the fate of the Sun, but the Sun will not become a red giant for another 4 or 5 billion years.

as to the article that you have cited. If the solar winds occurred last week, then we have no problem, because our atmosphere is still intact, today. One of the things it may affect, are satellites we have in orbit. It is highly unlikely that this latest solar wind will cause mass extinction event.

Thank you very much for your kind response. I appreciate it, and will say that although I was wrong about my understanding of the terms used in the article, the Bible does say that the earth will last forever. And that there will be peace forever. Since I believe God is greater than His creation, He has things in store that we do not know about (scientifically and actually speaking because we have not reached that time yet). And because everlasting life is promised, we will never know everything, which is a reason to be happy also.

(Isaiah 65) 17 For look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth;
And the former things will not be called to mind,
Nor will they come up into the heart.
18 So exult and be joyful forever in what I am creating.
For look! I am creating Jerusalem a cause for joy
And her people a cause for exultation.

 

[ChieftheCef]

So I read that scientists have discovered a black hole then a huge hole in the sun -- so what's to say the sun will definitely burn up and the Earth will not be existing any more? You can debate all you want to, but I am convinced science does not have the "answers" to life.

Why do you believe that though? How do you not see that as silly? Science makes **** that works, like electronics, and spears, and medicines, and all kinds of basically everything, even agriculture. You have to observe and record many things. That is, as any scientist would understand it, the scientific method.

 

[YoursTrue]

Why do you believe that though? How do you not see that as silly? Science makes **** that works, like electronics, and spears, and medicines, and all kinds of basically everything, even agriculture. You have to observe and record many things. That is, as any scientist would understand it, the scientific method.

Things can have a turnaround effect also. One never knows in a scientific way..thus when the Bible says the earth will remain forever I believe that. One way I look at it is that I have no good reason to believe otherwise.
Psalm 37:29 "The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it."

 

[Quintessence]

Why do you believe that though? How do you not see that as silly? Science makes **** that works, like electronics, and spears, and medicines, and all kinds of basically everything, even agriculture. You have to observe and record many things. That is, as any scientist would understand it, the scientific method.

I don't fault the spirit of what you're saying here.

However, one should be cautious equating science with technology - they are not the same thing. Similarly, one should not forget that science is a very modern and recent phenomena in human history. It was not and is not necessary to make discoveries or put those discoveries to practical use for specific purposes (e.g., technologies). Granted, some of this assessment depends on how broadly or narrowly one wants to define "science" and if one is more or less constraining oneself to Western science to the exclusion of, say, indigenous science which was used fort he majority of human history.

 

[Viker]

So I read that scientists have discovered a black hole then a huge hole in the sun -- so what's to say the sun will definitely burn up and the Earth will not be existing any more? You can debate all you want to, but I am convinced science does not have the "answers" to life. Anyway. MSN

Two giant holes opened up on Sun potentially sending million mph winds to Earth

A giant hole has opened up on the surface of the Sun, which could soon result in solar winds measuring millions of miles per hour hurtling towards Earth.The coronal hole measures 20 times larger than our planet and it’s the second of its type to be detected in the last week. The solar winds will...

www.indy100.com

Science doesn't claim to have the "answers". This is a claim coming only from a few religions.

 

[shunyadragon]

Things can have a turnaround effect also. One never knows in a scientific way..thus when the Bible says the earth will remain forever I believe that. One way I look at it is that I have no good reason to believe otherwise.
Psalm 37:29 "The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it."

. . . because you cling to ancient tribal scripture without provenance for answers and choose consistently to ignore the facts of science.

You also fail to deal with the conflicts in scripture:

1. 2 Peter 3:10, “But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.”

 

[ChieftheCef]

I don't fault the spirit of what you're saying here.

However, one should be cautious equating science with technology - they are not the same thing. Similarly, one should not forget that science is a very modern and recent phenomena in human history. It was not and is not necessary to make discoveries or put those discoveries to practical use for specific purposes (e.g., technologies). Granted, some of this assessment depends on how broadly or narrowly one wants to define "science" and if one is more or less constraining oneself to Western science to the exclusion of, say, indigenous science which was used fort he majority of human history.

If I might add, my definition of science, the scientists definition, is observing and recording results, making predictions all the while. If you can take a close look at your life all there is is science.

But I also respect the spirit of what you said. There is a separation of what science and technology are. Science is used to create technology. But without the science, even that bricks lay on bricks, there'd be no technology.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Things can have a turnaround effect also. One never knows in a scientific way..thus when the Bible says the earth will remain forever I believe that. One way I look at it is that I have no good reason to believe otherwise.
Psalm 37:29 "The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it."

Wow, I'm stupid enough to fall for that, dude. Why do atheists have lower crime per capita than religious folk if your god is so good? Because lucifer? Why is he suddenly not omnipotent? Why do you un ironically believe animals can talk? How do you not believe that? You believe a serpent talked. If this were a cartoon, your ideas would be the punchline.

How are the righteous gonna posses the Earth? By killing all the infidels? You're flaunting that as if you're wise for believing what amounts to a Saturday morning cartoon. You should be exiled from society, like the Gypsies were.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Thank you very much for your kind response. I appreciate it, and will say that although I was wrong about my understanding of the terms used in the article, the Bible does say that the earth will last forever. And that there will be peace forever. Since I believe God is greater than His creation, He has things in store that we do not know about

That's not a reason to believe he is God, nor going to be good, only reason to believe he is great

(scientifically

Now all of a sudden you cherry pick science that fits your worldview? That's not the pathway to the truth.

and actually speaking because we have not reached that time yet). And because everlasting life is promised, we will never know everything, which is a reason to be happy also.

(Isaiah 65) 17 For look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth;
And the former things will not be called to mind,
Nor will they come up into the heart.
18 So exult and be joyful forever in what I am creating.
For look! I am creating Jerusalem a cause for joy
And her people a cause for exultation.

That book is meant to manipulate people by the priesthood which was an arm of the government. Only a fool trusts propaganda.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Ok take care

See like you put yourself out there, conversating, and then when you begin to lose the argument you try to leave. Dude, that's so dishonest. Why does Jesus require you to be dishonest to fulfill his supposedly honest mission? And what is that? As I've read there's no marriage nor Earthly goodness of any kind, which according to science you won't cherry pick incrementally increases happiness. It's required for the full equation.