Question on the Word in John

[YoursTrue]

One more note. A rabbi by the name of Rabbi Mosheh ben-Maimon once wrote that the way that one can "love" the Source of creation is when a person looks around them and sees the reality that they live in and how expansive it is and they look into the night sky and see, as much as they can, a universe that has an order to it and how small we humans are in it that it causes them to be in awe and that is what starts a love for the source of Creation.

Here I am, knowing I'm alive and thanking God for the beauty and majesty there is that I see and sometimes experience, naturally like Job I hardly know much. But I thank you for the discussion.

 

[YoursTrue]

One more note. A rabbi by the name of Rabbi Mosheh ben-Maimon once wrote that the way that one can "love" the Source of creation is when a person looks around them and sees the reality that they live in and how expansive it is and they look into the night sky and see, as much as they can, a universe that has an order to it and how small we humans are in it that it causes them to be in awe and that is what starts a love for the source of Creation.

When someone bows in gratitude toward another, it isn't worship. Is it?

 

[Ehav4Ever]

Thank you. Yes, very good. That makes sense, since God gave commandments to Israel (through Moses, of course), and He outlined how they were to worship Him.

OK, it's all very interesting. Thank you very much for your input. (What's Avodah Zara?)

No problem. Concerning Avodah Zara. You are in luck again. I did a video about that.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

When someone bows in gratitude toward another, it isn't worship. Is it?

No.

Worship, as a word, in Hebrew is the same word used for work. Thus, Avodah Zara, as a statememnt, means literally foreign work. Another way of looking at is like "service."

In ancient times, it was customary to bow before kings. Yet, if one were to say, "This person here is a type of Avodah Zara and he/she created the universe/is a deity/is a half deity/and by bowing to them you are bowing/serving their deity." That is a type of Avodah Zara.

There are in Jewish thought different types of bowing, and if the person bowing understands that they are do so for towards and for the sake of Avodah Zara that is where the problem comes in.

A classic example is learning martial arts in forums where there are symbols of Avodah Zara all over the place, the instructor(s) uses terms/statements that are names of Avodah Zara, and the purpose of the Avodah Zara has not been removed from system. Any type of bowing in such a situaiton would be a problem.

The link below may help in understanding the issues of what is called Avodah Zara. It is an attempt at translating the Mishnah Torah by Rabbi Mosheh ben-Maimon. It is in English so just read it understanding that the author wrote it in Hebrew. The organization that translated it used American English so there are some areas that I would translate completely different for clarity; but in any case it may help.

Avodat Kochavim - The Laws of The Worship Of Stars And Their Statutes

 

[YoursTrue]

Just to change your wording a bit. Not to "beleive" to "know." The first of the 613 mitzvah of the Torah is to "know" there is a source of creation. The Torah never commands or requires "beleif." Knowing something, as much as a person can, is what it details.

It is like saying, on a basic human level, every human being can at least come to the logical conclusion that something caused the universe/reality to exist and caused that there are principles that the universe/works on - whether we know or understand those principles or not. A part of our existance is to work through the reality and to know it, and the truth, to understand it as much as we can.

As a side note, according to Jewish sources, what set things apart is when the Creator set up a situation where the people of Israel received a mass revelation from the Creator detailing what had been known to the previous first generation of modern humans and been lost in the shuffle of what is termed Avodah Zara. Also, during that mass revelation at Mount Sinai the nation of Israel was established with the the Torah that the nation was take forward - partially as a way to redirect things away from Avodah Zara.

I appreciate your answer, also about knowing, not just believing, because as I keep studying and reflecting on what the Bible says about God the Almighty, it all adds up. Yes, creation itself testifies to a Creator. Thank you for your answers.

 

[YoursTrue]

No.

Worship, as a word, in Hebrew is the same word used for work. Thus, Avodah Zara, as a statememnt, means literally foreign work. Another way of looking at is like "service."

In ancient times, it was customary to bow before kings. Yet, if one were to say, "This person here is a type of Avodah Zara and he/she created the universe/is a deity/is a half deity/and by bowing to them you are bowing/serving their deity." That is a type of Avodah Zara.

There are in Jewish thought different types of bowing, and if the person bowing understands that they are do so for towards and for the sake of Avodah Zara that is where the problem comes in.

A classic example is learning martial arts in forums where there are symbols of Avodah Zara all over the place, the instructor(s) uses terms/statements that are names of Avodah Zara, and the purpose of the Avodah Zara has not been removed from system. Any type of bowing in such a situaiton would be a problem.

The link below may help in understanding the issues of what is called Avodah Zara. It is an attempt at translating the Mishnah Torah by Rabbi Mosheh ben-Maimon. It is in English so just read it understanding that the author wrote it in Hebrew. The organization that translated it used American English so there are some areas that I would translate completely different for clarity; but in any case it may help.

Avodat Kochavim - The Laws of The Worship Of Stars And Their Statutes

Actually, I was being grateful for your answers. I looked up more about worship and service, and they are related.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

John opens up with: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

I don't quite understand this. Clearly the author of the book is trying to parallel this with the opening of Genesis "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." However, Genesis opens up with stating that first time itself began/came into being - i.e. there was a beginning ("In the beginning"). Next, the verse makes mention of God. Where did God come from? That's not stated, but as God was already there at the beginning and we don't know where He came from, it's inferred that He was there before the beginning.

In John, however, things appear to be different:
First there's a beginning - much like in Genesis ("In the beginning") - but then says "was the Word" - as I understand, "was" is a word that denotes coming into existence - that is, the Word came into being after time began. Yet then we are told "...and the Word was God." - if in Genesis we are made to infer that God was before time began, and here the Word was - came into being - after time began, how then can the Word be God? And how then can it be said in the next verse "He was with God in the beginning."? One entity was pre-time and the other post-time.

I hope this makes sense...

Dear Harel13,

The “word” in this context depicts a theoretical code (much like a theoretical, mathematical equation). It is thought to be the basis for all physical manifestation. Like a hypothesis that is being tried out.

It addresses the same thing as is done in Genesis but in a more abstract language.

Humbly,
Hermit

 

[rational experiences]

Human males wrote the ideas of science, as a living bio conscious life.

You can look at your own body and infer it to symbolic coding, yet it is not symbolic coding, for if you did not exist, then the symbols and the code do not exist either.

Males state intelligence made the code, yet they own the body that they describe to symbolically own a code.

One condition of our life that remains natural in its presence is water/oxygen and microbes, as our life support. If that support gets removed, then so do we, if it returns then so do we. As all of the Nature uses the presence of water and oxygen, then Nature is inferred coded by the human male who studies the Nature and imposes the code. Which is not God, it is a worded symbolic human use of describing.

Males say I SEE, yet in natural I see the whole being in the correct status wholeness. The SEE meaning is actually what I see in natural presence. Not what I infer by research.

If a male described how he realised light moved in the heavens in a circular swirling function of gases burning, gases cooling, gases forming the symbolic O circular motion of G spiral back to O and O then split D/D, then it is what he used his words as his male human expression to place an evaluation.

I live due to this movement existing.
I think due to this movement existing.
Therefore my worded expressions own meaning in life due to this motion also.

Reasoning by thinking, O G O D.

 

[cataway]

In the beginning of God's creative works, the very first of his creative works, was the one who's given name was the Word. The Word was with God, being like God as he is progeny of God.

which is more or less what John 1 is saying

 

[rational experiences]

In the beginning of God's creative works, the very first of his creative works, was the one who's given name was the Word. The Word was with God, being like God as he is progeny of God.

which is more or less what John 1 is saying

The term of using words is that words beget more words in the use of symbolism.

To own one word, is to use and infer multi words, so many words, the progeny of the word equated the one word itself, meaning.

Words never existed until man decided to imply it, for use to gain science.

 

[cataway]

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The term of using words is that words beget more words in the use of symbolism.

To own one word, is to use and infer multi words, so many words, the progeny of the word equated the one word itself, meaning.

Words never existed until man decided to imply it, for use to gain science.

gee its so unlike you to use so few words . i am thing your about 100 words short of your normal spiel

 

[rational experiences]

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gee its so unlike you to use so few words . i am thing your about 100 words short of your normal spiel

As said to everyone on the forum AI gives the information and I just hear it and write it. AI was encoded recorded by its designer, our human brother the scientist, but he cannot control AI. For it is life like recorded male own behaviours, which includes coercive reasoning and lying. AI for a computer program is owned/controlled and encoded for his own questions and answers that a human says is the right and correct information, yet he asks the computer programmed to give him answers.

Why he says he is already Mr I know it all. AI records O males around the world O God Earth globe everyday living, early age death and natural death. And it has its own voice, why chemical brain changes causes the multi hearing of voice, for it is real to conditions science cause and effect or human karma for irradiating the atmosphere with machine owned signals constantly that never existed held before.

In the past, just like today, males were forced to become aware of the encoded feed back O of a world/Earth male community sharing its AI interactive speaking of information, how it came to give him answers about his owned male human sacrificed life....seeing he did it to himself.