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Question to Creationists: What's the Mechanism?

U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Estro Felino said:
It is also interesting how so many theists believe in Intelligent Design, whereas ID has never made sense to me.
Because of the chaotic and beautifully diverse speciation.
But I deeply respect the belief in ID.

If God had had a say, he would have made no carnivorous animal.:p;)
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How does catholicism view creationism? (I haven't actually thought about it when I practiced)
 
viole

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Heyo said:
As a creationist, YEC, OEC, ID proponent, guided evolution proponent, how do you imagine "creation" of species happens?
Is there a bearded man materializing from thin air and going to work on some clay? Do new species poof into existence? What exactly are the steps from a world without a given species to a world with that species?
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All who believe that the existing is an act of creation, are creationists. By definition. Whether they believe the Universe is 6000 years old and God created man from dust, or are more sophisticated about that, there is no real difference. The mindset is the same.

Actually, YEC creationists are more intellectually honest. At least, they safeguard their scriptures, instead of destroying both them and science.

Ciao

- viole
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
firedragon said:
I was just clarifying your statement you made. You didnt answer but just tried to make some insulting remarks. Maybe you do know exactly what trolling is.

No worries. The answer to that question is, there are many theories of how God created and evolved life on earth. One of them is that there was an initial single cell organism that emerged from water and split into its own mates and bread and life evolved afterwards through a process of evolution. But they are theories. Not understood as absolute fact.
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Yes, it is a theory and like any any scientific theory it is open to change in event of new data. And, as this OP has shown so far, it is not only the best theory but the only one.
It seems as nobody here is willing or able to bring up any alternative.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Heyo said:
Yes, it is a theory and like any any scientific theory it is open to change in event of new data. And, as this OP has shown so far, it is not only the best theory but the only one.
It seems as nobody here is willing or able to bring up any alternative.
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You spoke of an only theory in the OP?
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
firedragon said:
You spoke of an only theory in the OP?
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I'm asking for an alternative and nothing comes up.
I think if that stays so, we will be able to formulate a declaration that can preclude any further thread in this forum saying that the ToE is the best (and only) current theory to explain life's diversity on earth (and send anyone questioning that back to this OP).
That will be my service to the community.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Heyo said:
I'm asking for an alternative and nothing comes up.
I think if that stays so, we will be able to formulate a declaration that can preclude any further thread in this forum saying that the ToE is the best (and only) current theory to explain life's diversity on earth (and send anyone questioning that back to this OP).
That will be my service to the community.
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Alternative to what? You mean an alternative to the Darwinian theory? You have not mentioned anything of the sort in the OP and that's why I am clarifying. If you are looking for an alternative to the Darwinian theory, there could be many alternatives.

There is a belief called raelism. Im sure you know of it. UFO's brought us here.

But still, even to that you can apply the darwinian theory. You can apply any theory actually.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
viole said:
Whatever, you can choose.
So, what have you got? or are you chickening out again?

ciao

- viole.
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I was just asking which scripture you had mastered and you said you had mastered the bible. So I was just confirming.

How about the Hindu scripture? Have you mastered them? Or have you studied them?
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Meaning must play a significant role in the formation of creatures. So an added dimension of meaning and relationship. A non living intelligence evolves since before the beginning. There has to be a more fundamental, unconditioned reality then our own. This source reality contains intelligence from a source unknown. Intelligence may be a latent potential that is a brute fact.

I don't require intelligence to be of mind, but it exists for the purposes of life.
 
viole

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
firedragon said:
I was just asking which scripture you had mastered and you said you had mastered the bible. So I was just confirming.

How about the Hindu scripture? Have you mastered them? Or have you studied them?
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Ok, show me their creational history. And let’s check it out.

ciao

- viole
 
leroy

leroy

Well-Known Member
Heyo said:
As a creationist, YEC, OEC, ID proponent, guided evolution proponent, how do you imagine "creation" of species happens?
Is there a bearded man materializing from thin air and going to work on some clay? Do new species poof into existence? What exactly are the steps from a world without a given species to a world with that species?
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That is a valid question, but ID could in principle be a valid theory even if he don’t know what mechanism was used.

For example we don’t need a mechanism in order to conclude that the pyramids where made by the Egyptians, you could say that you have no idea what mechanism was used, and still conclude that the Egyptians did it.

The same applies to evolution, nobody knows which mechanisms where needed to evolve the eye, but you can still conclude that modern eyes evolved from simpler organs.
 
Kooky

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Ostronomos said:
Quantum creationism from nothing is undoubtedly the only true science that is logically sound. The wavefunction collapses and we have a material atom that flickers into existence. From this, the self-perceptual nature of reality allows the sense organs including consciousness and perception to evolve in living organisms. Self-perception trickles down from ultimate existence.
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A wave requires a medium, does it not?
So what was the medium of the "wave function" that brought existence into existence?
 
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