1-you said that Torah hold Mohamed's name but it was by chance!!
so the name of the only prophet after jesus whom billions of people folllowed is Mohamed by chance??!!!
the old testament,song of songs,chapter 5,last verse
טז חִכּוֹ, מַמְתַקִּים, וְכֻלּוֹ, מַחֲמַדִּים; זֶה דוֹדִי וְזֶה רֵעִי, בְּנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָם.
the word in red
copy and paste it to any known dicitionary,from hebrew to english
and here is mohamed in arabic
محمد
These are typical Muslim lies trying to trick people and to find anything supporting their weak beliefs, which are shown to be weaker since they try desperately and through many lies to prove them.
First, why did you take only part of the Hebrew word, the word is
מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים not מַחֲמַדִּ֑
Pronounciation: m
aha
mad
im, not m
oha
mmad.
Can you notice a difference?
Second, the meaning:
beloved, desire, goodly, lovely, pleasant thing
From
chamad; delightful; hence, a delight, i.e. Object of affection or desire -- beloved, desire, goodly, lovely, pleasant (thing).
Meaning of Mohammed: Praised (
Muhammad (name) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Can you see a difference in the meaning?
Third, context:
16 חִכּוֹ֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים וְכֻלּ֖וֹ מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים
HebrewTransliterationStrong'sEnglish
חִכֹּו֙: chik ·kov
2441 his mouth
מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים : mam·tak·kim,
4477 sweetness
וְכֻלֹּ֖ו : ve·chul·lov
3605 is wholly
מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים : ma·cha·mad·dim;
4261 desirable
Let's take: וְכֻלּ֖וֹ מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים
וְ: particle conjunction (meaning and)
כֻלּ֖ :noun common masculine singular construct (meaning all)
הוּא: וֹ pronoun suffixed 3rd person masculine singular (meaning him/of him)
מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים: noun common masculine plural absolute.
So it literally means: all of him is desirable.
Can you claim that the meaning would be: all of him is Muhammed?!
Whole verse:
His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is my lover, this my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.
Does this look like a prophecy on muhammed? It's not even a proper noun.
Fourth, how the Jews themselves, (who actually know Hebrew, not people who try to twist words to prove their own benefits) understand this:
From the Aramaic Targum to Song of Songs:
5:16 “The words of His palate are as sweet as honey, and all His commandments are more desirable to His sages than gold and silver. This is the praise of God, my Beloved, and this is the power of the strength of my Lord, my Beloved, O prophets who prophesy in Jerusalem.”
It is speaking of God as you see, this is how Jews perceive it.
And how they rendered it in the LXX:
16 His throat is most sweet, and altogether desirable.
Fifth, other occurrences of the word in the bible:
Isa 64:11
11 Our holy and glorious temple, where our fathers praised you, has been burned with fire, and all that we treasured lies in ruins.
בֵּ֧ית קָדְשֵׁ֣נוּ וְתִפְאַרְתֵּ֗נוּ אֲשֶׁ֤ר הִֽלְל֙וּךָ֙ אֲבֹתֵ֔ינוּ הָיָ֖ה לִשְׂרֵ֣פַת אֵ֑שׁ וְכָל־
מַחֲמַדֵּ֖ינוּ הָיָ֥ה לְחָרְבָּֽה
If you want to say that this word means Muhammed, then the verse would say: Muhammed lies in ruins!
2Chr 36:19
19 They set fire to God's temple and broke down the wall of Jerusalem; they burned all the palaces and destroyed everything of value there.
וַֽיִּשְׂרְפוּ֙ אֶת־ בֵּ֣ית הָאֱלֹהִ֔ים וַֽיְנַתְּצ֔וּ אֵ֖ת חוֹמַ֣ת יְרוּשָׁלִָ֑ם וְכָל־ אַרְמְנוֹתֶ֙יהָ֙ שָׂרְפ֣וּ בָאֵ֔שׁ וְכָל־ כְּלֵ֥י
מַחֲמַדֶּ֖יהָ לְהַשְׁחִֽית
So Muhammed is burned and destroyed!!!
Lam 2:4
4 Like an enemy he has strung his bow; his right hand is ready. Like a foe he has slain all who were pleasing to the eye; he has poured out his wrath like fire on the tent of the Daughter of Zion.
4 דָּרַ֨ךְ קַשְׁתּ֜וֹ כְּאוֹיֵ֗ב נִצָּ֤ב יְמִינוֹ֙ כְּצָ֔ר וַֽיַּהֲרֹ֔ג כֹּ֖ל
מַחֲמַדֵּי־ עָ֑יִן בְּאֹ֙הֶל֙ בַּת־ צִיּ֔וֹן שָׁפַ֥ךְ כָּאֵ֖שׁ חֲמָתֽוֹ
Mohammed is slain!!!
Sixth, if I show you a word the same as my name or my friend's name in the quran, does this means that quran is prophesying about us?!
For others:
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2-no contradiction between jesus and Mohamed to disbelieve Mohamed
The person who says this knows nothing about quran or bible.
4- Psalm 84
5 Blessed are those whose strength is in you,
whose hearts are set on pilgrimage.
6 As they pass through the Valley of Baka,
they make it a place of springs;
the autumn rains also cover it with pools
Pilgrimage and Baka!!!,you know,it's Maka,ofcourse you don't know but it came in quran Baka,just see,you can search ofcourse to make sure
quran says
3:96 The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings
the house (Ka'bba),i think you know it's where pilgrimage of muslims is
Too silly a claim to be replied to. If you understand arabic, you might want to check this:
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For others, check:
http://islamexplained.com/
Again, wrong.
Check this:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2537923-post32.html
Please, if you want to discuss Islam, leave it for another thread.
Don't hijack this thread.