Questions for Christians

[Mohamed]

but why would God choose a Messiah, send him to the people, promise that the Messiah will lead them to salvation.... but then want the world to follow a different person who was not given the same authority and power as Jesus?

What can mohammad do for mankind that Jesus cannot???

Do you know what Jesus as the Messiah will do for mankind??? Have you read his testimony about his position and the reason for him coming???



I will come back to the rest of your post soon.

the time between Moses and Jesus was different time,jewish priests changed the religion and the law of Moses,jewish people were oppresed,and jesus was the savior they were waiting,and that god promised
the strange thing that they didn't follow him when he came!!!!

and the time of Moses,everthing was ok,Moses saved sons of Israel from pharao and bring Torah,could that be enough?!
it's not our choice it's god's


again you are saying what Mohamed can do that jesus can't do
it's not like that
every prophet has his time and his duty
in fact but for Mohamed,nobady would be follwing jesus rightnow
nobody follows jesus now except muslims
everything jesus forbided christian do now

and jesus will come again yes but in the same chain,to finish the job
i sent you the hadeeth about jesus
just notice it said that jesus will (break the cross)

i can't say why god sends Mohamed (or anybody else) while he is needed
i just follow who proved to be a prophet
but in my point of view
Mohamed was exetremely needed to continue the message of previous prophets
again i'm telling you who follows teaching of Jesus rightnow?!!!


and i'm waiting for the rest

 

[Mohamed]

These are just for the ignorants.
I'll just show you his end and God's punishment:

i see that you are not discussing points
you just want to turn it into useless discution

don't know who changed the word in the bible,is he deedat or what?!
who is the ignorant?
isn't it who believe somebody changes the bible in front of his eyes??!!!



ah yea
and how was the end of the Messiah (according to your beleifs)??!!
wasn't it much hard than that?!
so should people see that Jesus was being punished?!!
and who brings anything to make it an eviedence now??

i told you, you show yourself pathetic again

 

[Muffled]

I am really only asking to understand. I dislike something being told to me as "real" and it not making sense. I dont' give up.

why did god chose the nation of Israel and it so happen all the writers were from there? He doesn't say but no doubt a elationship with God was important as in God choosing Noah.

How could some of the 40 authors of the bible, not know they were writing Gods word but inspired? Man proposes but God disposes.

why Christians believe that some scriptures are literal and some are symbolical, when it doesn't say it? There are identifying words: like, as, parable that reveal symbolism and then if it says one thing stands for another.

what does "inspired of god" and "god breathed" specifically mean? Inspired by God means that God has worked in the background of the persons mind to speak his message while God breathe means that He has taken a more active approach by speaking into the persons conscious mind.

How do we know that the Christian god wasn't created by men?

He says so.

 

[Mark2020]

i see that you are not discussing points
you just want to turn it into useless discution

don't know who changed the word in the bible,is he deedat or what?!
who is the ignorant?
isn't it who believe somebody changes the bible in front of his eyes??!!!



ah yea
and how was the end of the Messiah (according to your beleifs)??!!
wasn't it much hard than that?!
so should people see that Jesus was being punished?!!
and who brings anything to make it an eviedence now??

i told you, you show yourself pathetic again

I've already given too much conclusive proofs, to which you had no proper reply. Ignoring my points and saying these words doesn't serve your case.

You obviously know nothing about Hebrew, Judaism or Christianity, yet you're just arguing about what you don't understand. I'll give you a piece of logic, maybe you understand. The Tetragrammaton, which is the most sacred word in the Torah, doesn't have this (im). So is mohammed's name more important or respectful than God's name?

 

[Muffled]

1-then you admit that alot of christians rightnow are not christians at all?

2-i didn't say that god wrote the bible,i'm asking (god sent to prophets over a 1600 year,but he didn't mention them to collect that in one book??,they even didn't write what they were inspired only,but what they saw,heard,and experienced,then why it's a holybook?)


3-i'm muslim,i believe (the same like you) that thier is a holy bible somewhere,but i'm not sure where it is,but we believe it's a holybook like quran,not that men collected what 40 prophet wrote.
you know,muslims claim that Muhamed was mentioned in bible and Torah,i can show you that,but first,i'm asking,is thier anything about (jesus) as the god,or the son of god,on the real bible?!

There are no valid books of the Bible other than the ones that exist. Your pie in the sky Bible is completely imaginary. THe Holy Bbible reveals that jesus is God in the flesh.

 

[Muffled]

May I ask to all Christians - since you do not believe in Muhammad, what does Matthew 21:42-43 refer to? "Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures:

"'The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;[
this was the Lord’s doing,
and it is marvelous in our eyes'?

Therefore I tell you, THE KINGDOM OF GOD WILL BE TAKEN FROM YOU AND GIVEN TO A PEOPLE producing its fruits."

We know that the stone the builders rejected is a direct reference to Ishmael who was rejected completely by the Jews.

Jesus then goes onto say that the Kingdom of God will be taken from the Jews and given to another nation.. now because Jesus previously said that Ishmael has become the cornerstone, one would assume that the "people producing its fruits" has some relation to Ishmael.

Now may I ask - who apart from Muhammad PBUH (Who is DIRECTLY related to Ishmael through Kedar) came after Jesus, from a nation other than the Jews and brought the Kingdom of God producing it's fruits?

This is false. Mohammed has nothing to do with the Kingdom of God. The stone that was rejected refers to the Messiah who is Jesus. Also Ishmael was rejected by God not by men which is the cse with Jesus.

This is a lovely ego satisfying fantasy. A people that have accepted the Kingdom of God is without doubt a Christian people.

Mohamed didn't bring the kingdomof God except in a vague reference to Jesus. Muslims can't have fruit because they aren't tied to the vine, Jesus.

 

[Mohamed]

I've already given too much conclusive proofs, to which you had no proper reply. Ignoring my points and saying these words doesn't serve your case.

You obviously know nothing about Hebrew, Judaism or Christianity, yet you're just arguing about what you don't understand. I'll give you a piece of logic, maybe you understand. The Tetragrammaton, which is the most sacred word in the Torah, doesn't have this (im). So is mohammed's name more important or respectful than God's name?

your quate was about (valley of Baca)?
you didn't answer that at anytime,you just sent video that talks about the translation

why don't you answer
is this Baca in saudi arabia or not??


second,you are the one who argues very strange way
so (im) must be used with god all the time to be used with Mohamed?!
in arabic forexample,sometimes plural of respect is used and sometimes not

Elooh-im is used to in hebrew

and i'm not the one responsible that Mohamed(im) didn't come except here
Mohamed (adj) has no plural,will we change the language just because you want to deny something or what?!!

 

[Mohamed]

There are no valid books of the Bible other than the ones that exist. Your pie in the sky Bible is completely imaginary. THe Holy Bbible reveals that jesus is God in the flesh.

then how come that Pegg told me that he believes Jesus isn't the god??!!

and since there are many versions of the bible why not more versions exist?
or even why not one of them is the holybible and maybe has different belief??

 

[Pegg]

the time between Moses and Jesus was different time,jewish priests changed the religion and the law of Moses,jewish people were oppresed,and jesus was the savior they were waiting,and that god promised
the strange thing that they didn't follow him when he came!!!!

this is very true, the Jewish society as a whole did not follow Jesus.... But some of them did and they formed the foundation of Christianity. It was Jesus 12 Jewish Apostles, and the Apostle Paul (another Jew), who taught Jesus message and they formed the christian church.

So really, the basis of following Christ is through them...not Mohammad. Mohammad came much later, long after Christianity was already established.

 

[Pegg]

then how come that Pegg told me that he believes Jesus isn't the god??!!

Mohamed, that is not because there are 'other' bibles that say differently...

its because the teaching that Jesus is God is only a 'interpretation' of scriptures. Its not an actual doctrine found in the NT writings. The doctrine is only taught by those who believe it.... and then they pick out some scriptures and twist the meaning of them to say these scriptures prove it. But when you analyze those scriptures they use, you can find that they are not saying that Jesus is God at all.

I read the same bible as they do but I do not believe their doctrine...i believe the scriptures and the scriptures dont say that Jesus is God. Im sure you know that some muslims have different beliefs even though they all read the same quran.
some believe the Quran tells them to kill other muslims who dont follow sharia law.... isnt that right?

 

[Mark2020]

your quate was about (valley of Baca)?
you didn't answer that at anytime,you just sent video that talks about the translation

why don't you answer
is this Baca in saudi arabia or not??


second,you are the one who argues very strange way
so (im) must be used with god all the time to be used with Mohamed?!
in arabic forexample,sometimes plural of respect is used and sometimes not

Elooh-im is used to in hebrew

and i'm not the one responsible that Mohamed(im) didn't come except here
Mohamed (adj) has no plural,will we change the language just because you want to deny something or what?!!

If you had the slightest will to learn, you'd watch at least a part of the video I gave, to see how ridiculous the claim is. It doesn't deserve to be even discussed. You can obviously understand Arabic.

For mohamadim, the evidences are just too strong for you to argue with. I've given more than enough evidence to show that what you said are just lies.
I've shown you that meaning and pronunciation (even without the 'im') don't match.
I've given you literal mean of the verse which shows that it can't refer to a proper noun. I've shown you the context. I've given you Jewish interpretation of the verse from before islam and Christianity. I've shown you other verses from the bible that have the same word, which show that it doesn't refer to him, or else they'd say he's slain, destroyed and burnt.

I don't expect you to accept this fact however strong the evidence is. You'll just close your eyes to facts and keep arguing about a void claim, seeking نصرة الله ورسوله .
Let the others judge then.

 

[Mohamed]

If you had the slightest will to learn, you'd watch at least a part of the video I gave, to see how ridiculous the claim is. It doesn't deserve to be even discussed. You can obviously understand Arabic.

For mohamadim, the evidences are just too strong for you to argue with. I've given more than enough evidence to show that what you said are just lies.
I've shown you that meaning and pronunciation (even without the 'im') don't match.
I've given you literal mean of the verse which shows that it can't refer to a proper noun. I've shown you the context. I've given you Jewish interpretation of the verse from before islam and Christianity. I've shown you other verses from the bible that have the same word, which show that it doesn't refer to him, or else they'd say he's slain, destroyed and burnt.

I don't expect you to accept this fact however strong the evidence is. You'll just close your eyes to facts and keep arguing about a void claim, seeking نصرة الله ورسوله .
Let the others judge then.

it's funny what you said that (i will close my eyes) because you are the one who do that,all what you have just said,i already answered it,the context suits it's a noun much more,the pronucation is the same (Mohamed),all times the word came singular because it's (adj) the same like arabic,but only here it came with (im).

you just keep repeating things that i already answered it.

the obvious thing that you don't want to answer me about (valley of baca),you just searced and found people talks about it,but they are talking about the arabic translation,so no nedd to listen to them because i'm asking you about the main text,the evidence is very clear that you even can't find anyway to deny it.

are you arabian?,if yes that explains much....

 

[Mohamed]

Mohamed, that is not because there are 'other' bibles that say differently...

its because the teaching that Jesus is God is only a 'interpretation' of scriptures. Its not an actual doctrine found in the NT writings. The doctrine is only taught by those who believe it.... and then they pick out some scriptures and twist the meaning of them to say these scriptures prove it. But when you analyze those scriptures they use, you can find that they are not saying that Jesus is God at all.

I read the same bible as they do but I do not believe their doctrine...i believe the scriptures and the scriptures dont say that Jesus is God. Im sure you know that some muslims have different beliefs even though they all read the same quran.
some believe the Quran tells them to kill other muslims who dont follow sharia law.... isnt that right?

all muslims worship the same god and believe in the same prophets,this is the belief,the other things is the law of the religion,it differs from the belief,despite that,still whem somebody says very wrong things,we say that this is not the islam,and those don't represnt islam,but they are very very few.

but those who believe that jesus is the god say it's clearly in the bible,and that jesus said that himself,how could we deny that there are versions of the bible?!
and every version has a belief
here in Egypt only,there are 3 dectorines of christianity,every church beleive something different,with different bible


ok ok,you believe that there is only one bible?
i can show you different versions,and contradiction between them

some believe the Quran tells them to kill other muslims who dont follow sharia law.... isnt that right?

if a muslim said that,it's easy,just ask him where is that from the quran?
and here is the difference,we have clear book that we can have different views about it ofcourse,but all inside the text,at the end,we can reach an agreement since we both believe the same text,if we didn't reach an agreement (about an important thing like beleifs) that means that one of us is out of islam,but for sure they are few who have tottaly different view from all muslims,that's really different from christianity case.

 

[Mark2020]

it's funny what you said that (i will close my eyes) because you are the one who do that,all what you have just said,i already answered it,the context suits it's a noun much more,the pronucation is the same (Mohamed),all times the word came singular because it's (adj) the same like arabic,but only here it came with (im).

Telling lies doesn't serve you much either.
I've given my evidences and you gave your sole evidence (that the pronunciation of part of a word in the bible in hebrew resembles, but is not identical to, the name of your prophet in arabic)
Let others judge then. Let someone who is Jewish or atheist be the judge.

the obvious thing that you don't want to answer me about (valley of baca),you just searced and found people talks about it,but they are talking about the arabic translation,so no nedd to listen to them because i'm asking you about the main text,the evidence is very clear that you even can't find anyway to deny it.

Maybe you don't dare listen to Mr Wahid . Keep closing your eyes.
I've tried even simple logic with you but you don't look like you have the ability to understand other things than those you're told.
ps Has Zaghlool responded to this series by Mr Wahid, in which he was proved to be a big liar?

 

[Mohamed]

Maybe you don't dare listen to Mr Wahid . Keep closing your eyes.
I've tried even simple logic with you but you don't look like you have the ability to understand other things than those you're told.
ps Has Zaghlool responded to this series by Mr Wahid, in which he was proved to be a big liar?

ok i will listen,but have you listened it yourself,or how could i response to you then?!

 

[Mark2020]

ok i will listen,but have you listened it yourself,or how could i response to you then?!

I've watched it live on Al Hayat channel on Hotbird. He is a very respectable man, watching his episodes is fun as well as educating.

 

[Mark2020]

I've watched it live on Al Hayat channel on Hotbird. He is a very respectable man, watching his episodes is fun as well as educating.

And here is their website, containing all their episodes:
IslamExplained.com > UVG > UVG_video_list
He discusses a lot of subjects in Islam and Christianity, doing so very respectfully. He shows a lot of evidences and literature. Many people, muslims and christians, call during the show and have discussions with him.
It's very entertaining and educating show.

 

[Mohamed]

I've watched it live on Al Hayat channel on Hotbird. He is a very respectable man, watching his episodes is fun as well as educating.

i have watched much now but nothing helpful at all
he still talking about the arabic translation
i really can't understand his point?!!

the problem that it's baca not bacca or?!
is this really the point you find it very shocking for me??!!!!!!


by the way he is not a respectable man at all,he seems a clown more lol
nothing logic,just insulting all the way

so baca can't be bacca but baca can be Boca'a (which doesn't exist at all),really funny lol,and who go pelgrimage to Boca'a if it's existed at all??!!!

ok people,his point that it should be bacca not baca,that's all

 

[Mohamed]

I've watched it live on Al Hayat channel on Hotbird. He is a very respectable man, watching his episodes is fun as well as educating.

i'm dieing laughing,he said that it's بكى
means البكاء
hahahahaha
how come?,so the bible came in arabic or what?!
i have searched for the meaning of the hebrew word,it's not cry at all
and why it wasn't translated to english then!!!!!!!!!

by the way (baca) (cried) in the past
so it's the valley of cried,lol,i can't see how he deny the word because it's (baca) not (bacca) while he discovered a new language to make it (boca'a) wich even doesn't exist.

 

[Mark2020]

i have watched much now but nothing helpful at all
he still talking about the arabic translation
i really can't understand his point?!!

the problem that it's baca not bacca or?!
is this really the point you find it very shocking for me??!!!!!!


by the way he is not a respectable man at all,he seems a clown more lol
nothing logic,just insulting all the way

so baca can't be bacca but baca can be Boca'a (which doesn't exist at all),really funny lol,and who go pelgrimage to Boca'a if it's existed at all??!!!

ok people,his point that it should be bacca not baca,that's all

Then you haven't watched the whole video.
And he is respectable, just compare his words to Zaglool's word from the clip they showed.