You showed nothing. You had no answers to half of the points I've given you, and to the other half you either lied or didn't give any proper answer. As I said, this is expected.
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You showed nothing. You had no answers to half of the points I've given you, and to the other half you either lied or didn't give any proper answer. As I said, this is expected.
I have a question.
There's speculation on how long the human race has been around for (in proven terms). Lets use 100,000 years as it's not far off most theories. Let's not debate this though... the exact period is not important. What's important is that it was a long time.
Now, over this 100,000 year period, humans were made to go through an astonishing amount of hardship; dying of parasites and bacteria they had no knowledge of, natural disasters they could only assume were punishments, deaths in childbirth and a whole host of other horrific means of death.
For 98,000 the heavens looked upon this with complete indifference, Then, 2,000 years ago they said 'hold up, we'd probably better so something about this now'.
And what better way to do this than to display a sickening sacrifice of a carpenter in bronze age Palestine for stupefied, semi-literate peasants to make a story of.
To believe in God, you have to believe this. It's either cruelty beyond belief or it's a thoughtless nonsense design.
Either way, how can you believe this knowing that you're either worshiping a God SO cruel or a God SO incompetent?
There's speculation on how long the human race has been around for (in proven terms). Lets use 100,000 years as it's not far off most theories. Let's not debate this though... the exact period is not important. What's important is that it was a long time.
Now, over this 100,000 year period, humans were made to go through an astonishing amount of hardship; dying of parasites and bacteria they had no knowledge of, natural disasters they could only assume were punishments, deaths in childbirth and a whole host of other horrific means of death.
For 98,000 the heavens looked upon this with complete indifference, Then, 2,000 years ago they said 'hold up, we'd probably better so something about this now'.
And what better way to do this than to display a sickening sacrifice of a carpenter in bronze age Palestine for stupefied, semi-literate peasants to make a story of.
To believe in God, you have to believe this. It's either cruelty beyond belief or it's a thoughtless nonsense design.
Either way, how can you believe this knowing that you're either worshiping a God SO cruel or a God SO incompetent?
very well,we are almost saying the same,you say that bible didn't change but they interpreted it wrong (in translations),and 90% of christians follow them,it's the same what i say but in different way
that there is a bible from god,and that christians today don't follow it at all
they follow thier (wrong interpretation)
and i asked you in the previous post
you believe that they are not following Jesus?
and i have a question please
is this faith represtents only you,or there is a dactorine believes that?
if u don't mind i want to add questions
1-when had th bible written (or recieved from god)?
2-who recieved (and who wrote) it?
3-why there are many bibles (beside translation)?
i have more questions but i want to know those first
Man if you were a true muslim you would have known all these answers for you questions.What do you want to know about the bible.Show some respect for other religion because a true muslim is he who respect others faith and who do not critisise other religion.Allah has told us to show respect to other.
no no,you understood me wrong
i know answers for these questions from islam's point of view
but i'm trying to find out weather christians have the same answers or different answers
because for sure we have different views about jesus and bible
what caused that?
ofcourse it's the difference of answers for these questions
that's all,hope you understand me right
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Thats correct, they are not following Jesus if they are not doing what Jesus wanted them to do or if they are not teaching what the scriptures say. Jesus said that not many who claimed to follow him would be approved by him.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness
There are many christians who are not following Jesus correctly, but it is not for other christians to judge them or force them to follow a particular set of beliefs....Jesus himself will judge them. We must individually do what the scriptures tell us to do and we must follow them...if a person is not doing that honestly, then they will be judged adversely for that error. That is what the scriptures say, not only my belief.
Paul and James gave this same council :
Romans 2:13 For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous.
James 1:22 However, become doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning.
So the fact that christianity is so divided and has so many different beliefs does not make christianity wrong... it makes those christians wrong. We still must follow Jesus and the bible. Just because many christians are not true followers, does not make the Word of God invalid and unworthy, nor does it change the fact that Jesus is the Messiah sent by God for all the world to follow him.
In the end, everyone will be judged by Gods Word. christian or not. And there are christians who do follow Christ according to the scriptures and they teach according to what is in the scriptures too. So there is a true Christian church... it is up to us individually to make an effort to find it. If we dont bother making that effort, then we will be held accountable for that decision.
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i swear i didn't mean that there is no true christianity,hope you didn't understand that from me,i respect your faith very much,and it's the first time for me to find one follows the true christianity,it's very rare thing,and i (like you) worship Allah and consider Jesus prophet,so i never said christianity is wrong,i just meant recent christianity,but you made it clear that not every christian is following Jesus
so tell me,do you find me (as muslim) following Jesus or not,and if not tell me why,i told you that i worship one god and consider jesus prophet
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Ah thats good because that is what I thought you had in mind. However, it isnt only 'recent' christianity who have gone off the rails... from before Mohammad was even born, christianity had already gone off the rails....it was prophesied to occur. Jesus and the Apostles warned that christianity would turn dark for a time, but then true christianity would sprout during the last days...before the judgment.
I will not tell you if you are following Jesus, you can do that yourself. What you need to ask yourself is whether you know enough about Jesus in order to know how to follow him.
My guess is that you know a lot about your prophet Mohammad, but little of Christ. For example, if I asked you what was the most important thing Christ taught, can you answer?
Of if I asked you what Christs message was, do you know?
Or if I asked you what the work was that he asked his disciples to do, can you answer?
Do you know what he taught about how to receive Gods spirit upon you?
these are questions every christian must know in order to follow Christ.
i know the answer for most of these but through quran ofcourse,and i mean about the belief in first place,don' i have the same belief like you and him,and most of teachings (i think)
another question,do you believe that Jesus was born from mother only (without father) or not?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
ok, so you must realise then that they teach differently. Quran says that Jesus was not put to death, but bible says he was put to death.
Quran says he is not Son of God, but bible says that he is Son of God.
So you must decide which is correct. Is Mohammad correct or are Jesus Apostles correct? Who is more likely to know what Jesus taught and if he was killed or not? Someone who was with Jesus, or someone who lived 700 years later?
I believe what the scriptures tell us.
Luke 1:26 the angel Ga′bri‧el was sent forth from God to a city of Gal′i‧lee named Naz′a‧reth, 27 to a virgin promised in marriage to a man named Joseph of Davids house; and the name of the virgin was Mary. 28 And when he went in before her he said: Good day, highly favored one, Jehovah is with you. 29 But she was deeply disturbed at the saying and began to reason out what sort of greeting this might be. 30 So the angel said to her: Have no fear, Mary, for you have found favor with God; 31 and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.
34 But Mary said to the angel: How is this to be, since I am having no intercourse with a man? 35 In answer the angel said to her: Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, Gods Son
So from the above passage, I do believe that Jesus had no human father. Mary was made pregnant by Gods holy spirit....this means God transferred the life of one of his angels, to the womb of Mary so that he could be born into this world as a human. We know this because Jesus himself said that he had come down from heaven to do Gods will. The only way he could have come from heaven is if he was one of the angels.
Any takers?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
time from Gods perception has amounted to 6 days of human history.
I would say he acted pretty quickly.
Otherright
Otherright
What does that even mean? How did you arrive at that number?
Means nothing to me. Well done... you can string words together in English.
A real answer would be appreciated.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
I didnt, the bible did.
Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday when it is past, And as a watch during the night
2Peter 3:8 However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 9 Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient
If you live to be 100 years old, you will have lived for 2.3hours in Gods eyes.
You can work out the calculation in earth hours, by converting the 1000 years to the ratio first. 24hrs / 8,760,000 hrs = 2.73 e-6 (0.00000273). then multiplied by the above ratio to convert it to Gods time. IE, 100yrs = 100x365x24=876,000hrs x0.00000273 = 2.3hrs
it was only really 2 days ago that Jesus was on earth... 4 days earlier, Adam was created.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
you might find this[youtube]ieQilbWQxdo[/youtube]
rundown of mans history interesting. Its only a few minutes long, but it covers a lot of ground.
Otherright
Otherright
Let me guess, on the seventh day, its over, right?
There is a lot of things wrong with this. This is called quantitative fallacy. But since we are going in this direction, let's run with it.
a) "that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day" You know, if you are going to take this literal, by wording, this can be inverted making the number the opposed on a scale, or 2.73X10 to the 6th.
b) The bible doesn't say we will live 100 years. It says something to the effect of more along the lines of 70.
c) I think its funny how the bible speaks against numerological divination, then Christians use it to support their ideas.