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Questions for Muslims

Muslim-UK

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Premium Member
Just as well no ex-Christian 'reverts' have made a career on the back of something similar and certainly never milk every last drop out of their status in the game of religious oneupmanship. Were that the case it might be considered somewhat hypocritical.
Show me one such person who has claimed their former Religion was evil and needed dismantling.
 
Show me one such person who has claimed their former Religion was evil and needed dismantling.

More just a corrupt, illogical, idolatrous perversion of The Truth that will send its followers on the road to hell. That pretty much covers evil.

As for the call for its dismantling, that's Jesus' job when he returns to break the crosses and kill the pigs.
 

Muslim-UK

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Premium Member
More just a corrupt, illogical, idolatrous perversion of The Truth that will send its followers on the road to hell. That pretty much covers evil.
So a World apart from fake ex muslims calling for Islam to be banned and Countries to be invaded.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
No of course not, most get on wit their lives. As shown, most of the ones that try to make a name for themselves are fakes.

She's a confirmed liar.

Here she is explaining why Islam is such a threat to America:


She should read her Bible: Mt 7:22 "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?"

23: Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’…
That video is patently ridiculous. Those kids who shot up the Columbine school weren't doing it in the name of Jesus. I doubt those 'American Christians' who 'blow up post offices' are doing it in the name of their god. It's such a fals equivalency.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
No of course not, most get on wit their lives. As shown, most of the ones that try to make a name for themselves are fakes.

So you only deem 'fakes' the ones who have legitimate concerns with your faith and have the temerity to raise them. So they're not 'fake' ex-Muslims because they never actually believed; they're 'fake' because they're challenging your belief that Islam is the perfect religion.


She's a confirmed liar.

Here she is explaining why Islam is such a threat to America:

When does she lie in that video? All I saw was the video's maker imposing some douchey little thought-bubble on her head when she reacts with surprise to the host's claim. The host is an Islamophile engaging in the typical whataboutery that characterises Islamic apologetics. And we don't get to hear why Hirsi Ali disagrees with the host because the video cuts her off right then and replaces the feed with a Quran verse. Also, Columbine isn't an example of a Christian terrorist attack as the person wasn't driven to do it by their faith in Jesus. How many of the others were?

I love how it's completely okay for Islamophiles to partially quote verses completely out of their original context. Intelligence-free apologetics at their finest.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Just as well no ex-Christian 'reverts' have made a career on the back of something similar and certainly never milk every last drop out of their status in the game of religious oneupmanship. Were that the case it might be considered somewhat hypocritical.
Yes, it would.

However, by framing it in those words, you imply the existence of some level of comparison basis. That would be misleading.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
No of course not, most get on wit their lives. As shown, most of the ones that try to make a name for themselves are fakes.

She's a confirmed liar.

Here she is explaining why Islam is such a threat to America:


She should read her Bible: Mt 7:22 "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?"

23: Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’…
I hope you realize how unconvincing this is.

Why do you call her a "confirmed liar"?
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
And on the basis of these few you conclude that most ex-Muslims are like this?




The first part where Hirsi Ali is being interviewed is fine. I don't have a problem with that. The second part from 4:56 is hilariously stupid. The speaker is a one-man assembly line for strawmen.

Thanks for watching and commenting. I have just replayed the section you referenced.

Since I joined this forum, I have been searching for a reason why Islamic apologists are so rife in western society. When we have the likes of J K Rowling and Lily Allen promoting an ideology that is harmful to women we have to ask why.

In this video, Ben Shapiro is expressing a valid opinion as to why this is occurring with their ‘Common Purpose’. I don’t agree with his god speak but apart from that he is not far off the mark and is definitely correct about the refugees.

The left likes to defend what they think are victims and Islam uses victimhood to its advantage very expertly. Practice makes perfect.

It is quite possible that the 18 year old arrested for planting the bomb on the Parsons Green train was one of those ‘children ‘ that these celebrities were so keen to allow into the UK.

The intended targets of this bomb were the same as those at Manchester Arena, children.

Where is Parsons Green, what happened in the Tube terror attack in London and who is the bomber?

BTW, I am not Piers Morgan’s biggest fan but I agree with him on this one - Piers Morgan blasts Lily Allen after she accused him of profiting on 'hate' for his comments about Muslims
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
That video is patently ridiculous. Those kids who shot up the Columbine school weren't doing it in the name of Jesus. I doubt those 'American Christians' who 'blow up post offices' are doing it in the name of their god. It's such a fals equivalency.
So using your own logic as a benchmark, Hirsi the Christian cites two cases:

U.S. Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who in Iraq gunned down his fellow american Soldiers and Faisal Shahzad, the Time Square bomber.

A quick google search shows none of these cited Religion as their motivation, rather in the case of shahzad it was wanting revenge for the havoc drones had caused on innocent civilians in his native Pashtun area of Pakistan. Major Hassan was a Army Psychiatrist, who was not only mocked by his fellow soldiers, but also heard graphic details of what his fellow American Soldiers had been doing in Iraq and he subsequently snapped, killing many soldiers, yet made no mention of Religion.

The liar Hirsi says, both men decided God would greatly reward them both if they killed lots of innocent people.

Inside the mind of the Times Square bomber

Major Nidal Malik Hasan: Soldiers' psychiatrist who listened to stories from frontline
 

zahra67

Active Member
So I'm not trying to start a debate, I'm trying to understand a position different from my own. To all the Muslims here how would you defend the claim that Muhammad was a pedophile? Also, if Allah is merciful and loving, then why does he condone the killing of Christians and Jews in the Qu'ran? Why is it okay to spread your religion through conquest like Mohammed?
hello.

prophet Mohammad and his progeny are the source of mercy for entire creation.

God is extremely merciful and created the universe out of his generosity and mankind for attaining his infinite mercy!

prophet Mohammad and his progeny are compassion, merciful, kind, generous, munificence, towards all mankind.
they dont want hel for anyone even for there enemies!

i sincerely recommend you to read these books.

Understanding God's Mercy, Part 1

Ahl al-Bayt, The Celestial Beings on the Earth
 

zahra67

Active Member
Would you agree that Jesus didn't promote violence? Jesus preached that we should turn the other cheek and love our enemies. I know a lot of Catholics who believe the Church was behaving in rebellion to the teachings of Christ when conquest and the killing of heretics took place.

A lot of Catholics are ashamed of the Church History. Fortunately the Church was also building hospitals, schools, feeding the hungry, and performing works of mercy, but some of us shudder to think of things like burning heretics and capital punishment for certain pagan practices.

I wouldn't say that the faith itself promotes it. Christ strictly condemned such behavior. It is far from Christian.
prophet Mohammad and his progeny (peace be upon them) are the source of mercy for entire creation.
they pray, strive and wish prosperity and salvation for all mankind, they dont satisfied anyone goes to hell!
they dont want and dont start wars against other people.
but the enemies started wars and martyred them.
During one of the battles, one of his companions said to him:
'Invoke God against the Polytheists!' The Prophet said: 'I have been sent as a mercy and guidance and have not been sent to curse people.'

The Apostle of God used to say: 'My Lord has enjoined upon me seven things: he has enjoined upon me sincerity in secret and in public, and that I forgive those who have wronged me, and that I give to those who have withheld from me, and that I maintain bonds with those who cut off from me, and that my times of silence are spent in thought, and that whatever I see I derive a lesson from it.'
 

zahra67

Active Member
So I'm not trying to start a debate, I'm trying to understand a position different from my own. To all the Muslims here how would you defend the claim that Muhammad was a pedophile? Also, if Allah is merciful and loving, then why does he condone the killing of Christians and Jews in the Qu'ran? Why is it okay to spread your religion through conquest like Mohammed?
islam is the religion of mercy, compassion, unity and brotherhood!
see these verses from the holy Quran:
verse ﴿۱۰۳﴾ of chapter 3
وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِحَبْلِ اللَّهِ جَمِيعًا وَلَا تَفَرَّقُوا وَاذْكُرُوا نِعْمَتَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ كُنْتُمْ أَعْدَاءً فَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِكُمْ فَأَصْبَحْتُمْ بِنِعْمَتِهِ إِخْوَانًا وَكُنْتُمْ عَلَى شَفَا حُفْرَةٍ مِنَ النَّارِ فَأَنْقَذَكُمْ مِنْهَا كَذَلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ
And hold fast by the covenant of Allah all together and be not disunited, and remember the favor of Allah on you when you were enemies, then He united your hearts so by His favor you became brethren; and you were on the brink of a pit of fire, then He saved you from it, thus does Allah make clear to you His communications that you may follow the right way
also in the verse 159 of above chapter:
فَبِمَا رَحْمَةٍ مِنَ اللَّهِ لِنْتَ لَهُمْ وَلَوْ كُنْتَ فَظًّا غَلِيظَ الْقَلْبِ لَانْفَضُّوا مِنْ حَوْلِكَ فَاعْفُ عَنْهُمْ وَاسْتَغْفِرْ لَهُمْ وَشَاوِرْهُمْ فِي الْأَمْرِ فَإِذَا عَزَمْتَ فَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُتَوَكِّلِينَ
Thus it is due to mercy from Allah that you deal with them gently, and had you been rough, hard hearted, they would certainly have dispersed from around you; pardon them therefore and ask pardon for them, and take counsel with them in the affair; so when you have decided, then place your trust in Allah; surely Allah loves those who trust.
verse ﴿۱۲۸﴾ of chapter 9
لَقَدْ جَاءَكُمْ رَسُولٌ مِنْ أَنْفُسِكُمْ عَزِيزٌ عَلَيْهِ مَا عَنِتُّمْ حَرِيصٌ عَلَيْكُمْ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ رَءُوفٌ رَحِيمٌ
indeed, A Messenger from your own people has come to you. Your destruction and suffering is extremely grievous to him. He really cares about you and is very compassionate and merciful to the believers.
verse 54 of chapter 6
وَإِذَا جَاءَكَ الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِآيَاتِنَا فَقُلْ سَلَامٌ عَلَيْكُمْ كَتَبَ رَبُّكُمْ عَلَى نَفْسِهِ الرَّحْمَةَ أَنَّهُ مَنْ عَمِلَ مِنْكُمْ سُوءًا بِجَهَالَةٍ ثُمَّ تَابَ مِنْ بَعْدِهِ وَأَصْلَحَ فَأَنَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ
And when those who believe in Our communications come to you, say: Peace be on you, your Lord has ordained mercy on Himself, (so) that if any one of you does evil in ignorance, then turns after that and acts aright, then He is Forgiving, Merciful.
in verse 107 of chapter 21:
God who is the infinite merciful says:
وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِلَّا رَحْمَةً لِلْعَالَمِينَ
And We have not sent you but as a mercy to the worlds.
finally in verse 4 of chapter 68 of the holy Quran we read:
وَإِنَّكَ لَعَلَى خُلُقٍ عَظِيمٍ
And indeed you have sublime morality.
 

zahra67

Active Member
So I'm not trying to start a debate, I'm trying to understand a position different from my own. To all the Muslims here how would you defend the claim that Muhammad was a pedophile? Also, if Allah is merciful and loving, then why does he condone the killing of Christians and Jews in the Qu'ran? Why is it okay to spread your religion through conquest like Mohammed?

so islam did not spread in the world via violence!
the people who saw the great morality and manner of prophet Mohammad, observed beauty and meanings of the holy Quran, imbraced islam by there free will, without any force.
and for your first question:
i should say all prophets of God are infallible and pedophile about them is just lying and rumour!
 

Mohsen

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Honest question: do you think such "fake ex-Muslims" exist?

She didn’t even know the Fatiha - even kids know the Fatiha - so yeah, fake apostate easy to spot in this instance

Loonwatch web exposed a whole load of them as well! Have fun exploring
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
so islam did not spread in the world via violence!
the people who saw the great morality and manner of prophet Mohammad, observed beauty and meanings of the holy Quran, imbraced islam by there free will, without any force.

A blatant falsehood. The conquest of the Sassanid Empire by the Arabs presaged the spread and dominance of Islam in Persia. Same goes for North Africa, the Levant, Cyprus and Anatolia - all of which were territories of the Byzantine Empire.


and for your first question:
i should say all prophets of God are infallible and pedophile about them is just lying and rumour!

Muhammad is preached to have had sex with Aisha whose age, according to Islamic orthodoxy, puts her either in her prepubescent or early years of puberty. If a man can get his penis erect enough to penetrate a child then you might just be sexually attracted to them.
 

Muslim-UK

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Premium Member
Muhammad is preached to have had sex with Aisha whose age, according to Islamic orthodoxy, puts her either in her prepubescent or early years of puberty. If a man can get his penis erect enough to penetrate a child then you might just be sexually attracted to them.

Her age is given as between 6-9, 12-14 and 16-19. The age in the west, based upon the Bible has Historically been 7-14 and no one in 1,300 years ever brought up Aisha's ra age as being a issue.

Age of consent - Wikipedia

Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) "made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old."
 
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