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Questions that evolutionists and billions of years proponents cannot answer but disprove their theories.

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The theory of nothing does not answer anything about the origin of anything.
What was the first living creature?
You are confused again. Your questions only show your ignorance. The theory of evolution is about the origin of species. How did humans evolve from other apes. That has been answered. How are humans related to chimps? to gorillas? to cats? to even bananas? All of that has been answered.

But sadly you do not get to demand evidence until you demonstrate that you understand the concept.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The Bible describes the Earth has hanging on nothing in space and as a sphere that rotates on its axis, which is why there are nights and days on the Earth. It also correctly shows that day and night happens at different parts of the Earth at different times. There are a number of advanced scientific facts revealed in the Bible that have only been discovered in modern times. These also prove that the Bible is true.
Please address the questions.

I pointed out to you ─ quoted to you ─ the bible's many assertions that the world is flat. It says that because when the bible was written, that was the best understanding available in that time and place.

Do you therefore think the world is flat?

Or do you accept that, contrary to what the bible repeatedly says ─

The earth is an oblate sphere. It is not flat, whether like a plate or like a table.

It is not immovably fixed at the center of the cosmos. Instead it orbits the sun.

The sun accordingly does not go round the earth every day. Rather the earth rotates as it proceeds along its orbit.

The sky is our view of our atmosphere and beyond that, the sun and moon and the stars of the cosmos and some of the planets of our solar system. It is not a hard dome on which you can walk and to which the stars are affixed.

The stars therefore cannot become detached from the sky and fall to earth.

How do you reply?
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
Please address the questions.

I pointed out to you ─ quoted to you ─ the bible's many assertions that the world is flat. It says that because when the bible was written, that was the best understanding available in that time and place.

Do you therefore think the world is flat?

Or do you accept that, contrary to what the bible repeatedly says ─

The earth is an oblate sphere. It is not flat, whether like a plate or like a table.

It is not immovably fixed at the center of the cosmos. Instead it orbits the sun.

The sun accordingly does not go round the earth every day. Rather the earth rotates as it proceeds along its orbit.

The sky is our view of our atmosphere and beyond that, the sun and moon and the stars of the cosmos and some of the planets of our solar system. It is not a hard dome on which you can walk and to which the stars are affixed.

The stars therefore cannot become detached from the sky and fall to earth.

How do you reply?
I reject your false statements about the Bible.

The Bible describes that the number of stars is comparable to the number of grains of sand on the shores.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I reject your false statements about the Bible.
I made no false statements about the bible. You have nothing to reject.

I quoted you the bible's relevant texts. Read the words of the bible on these subjects again >HERE<.

It's the bible that says the earth is flat and immovably fixed in space; that the sun goes round it; that the sky (the "firmament") is a hard dome you can walk on and to which the stars are affixed such that if they come loose, they'll fall to earth.

And why would you expect the bible to reflect any cosmology other than the cosmology of its time and place? Should it reflect the cosmology of 300 CE? 1500 CE? 1800 CE? 2023 CE? 2500 CE?

Which do you say it should reflect?
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
I made no false statements about the bible.

I quoted you the bible's relevant texts. Read the words of the bible on these subjects again >HERE<.

It's the bible that says the earth is flat and immovably fixed in space; that the sun goes round it; that the sky (the "firmament") is a hard dome you can walk on and to which the stars are affixed such that if they come loose, they'll fall to earth.

And why would you expect the bible to reflect any cosmology other than the cosmology of its time and place? Should it reflect the cosmology of 300 CE? 1500 CE? 1800 CE? 2023 CE? 2500 CE?

Which do you say it should reflect?
Just what the Bible actually says of course.
You again forbears were just as deceived as the modern evolutionist pagans.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
You know, for someone who whines so much about others bearing false witness, you bear false witness an awful lot.
I do not.

What versionS of THE Bible do you use?

You see you are deceived in this too.
It makes no sense to even have multiple versions of THE Bible. THE is a unique identifier.

As in THE word of God, not the multiple versions of the Bible.

You are deceived in so many things and it is obvious.

So have you ever read THE Bible, THE word of God.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Just what the Bible actually says of course.
Clearly you didn't read the quotes on that link I provided, so I'll set them out for you here ─

1. Flat earth. The firmament (sky) is a fixed dome.
Genesis 1
2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters. ... 6 And God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 7 And God made the firmament and separated the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

2. Geocentry. The earth is flat and the sun goes round it.
Joshua 10
12 Then spoke Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon.” 13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

3. Geocentry, earth immovable.
1 Chronicles 16:
29 Ascribe to the LORD the glory due his name; bring an offering, and come before him! Worship the LORD in holy array; 30 tremble before him, all the earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.

4. Geocentry, earth immovable.
Job 9
6 who shakes the earth out of its place, and its pillars tremble; 7 who commands the sun, and it does not rise; who seals up the stars; 8 who alone stretched out the heavens, and trampled the waves of the sea;

5. The firmament (sky) is a fixed dome
Job 22
12 “Is not God high in the heavens? See the highest stars, how lofty they are! 13 Therefore you say, ‘What does God know? Can he judge through the deep darkness? 14 Thick clouds enwrap him, so that he does not see, and he walks on the vault of heaven.’

6. The dome of the sky rests on pillars.
Job 26:
11 “The pillars of heaven tremble, and are astounded at his rebuke.”

7. The firmament (sky) is a fixed dome.
Job 37
18 Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a molten mirror?

8. The stars are adjacent to each other and the earth on the fixed dome.
Job 38
7 when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

9. The earth is flat.
Job 38:
13 That it might take hold of the skirts of the earth, and the wicked be shaken out of it?

10. The earth is flat. The sun goes round it.
Psalm 19
4 yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, 5 which comes forth like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs its course with joy. 6 Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and there is nothing hid from its heat.

11. Geocentry. The earth is fixed.
Psalm 93:
1 The LORD reigns; he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed, he is girded with strength. Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved;

12. Geocentry. The earth is fixed.
Psalm 96
10 Say among the nations, “The LORD reigns! Yea, the world is established, it shall never be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity.”

13. Geocentry. The earth is fixed. The earth is flat and rests on foundations.
Psalm 102
25 Of old thou didst lay the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

14. Geocentry. The earth is fixed.
Psalm 104
5 Thou didst set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be shaken.

15. Geocentry. The earth is fixed. The earth is flat.
Ecclesiastes 1:
5 “The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.”

16. The earth is flat, like a table.
Isaiah 11:
12 And he will raise an ensign for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

17. The firmament (sky) is a fixed dome.
Isaiah 14
13 You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High.’

18. The earth is flat, like a plate.
Isaiah 40
22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

19. The heavens go round the earth.
Isaiah 45
12 I made the earth, and created man upon it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host.

20. Geocentry. The earth is fixed.
Isaiah 48
13 My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.

21. The earth is flat like a table.
Jeremiah 16:
19 O LORD, my strength, and my stronghold, my refuge in the day of trouble, to thee shall the nations come from the ends of the earth, and say, Our fathers have inherited naught but lies, worthless and things in which there is no profit.

22. The firmament (sky) is a fixed dome.
Ezekiel 1
22 Over the heads of the living creatures there was the likeness of a firmament, shining like crystal, spread out above their heads. 23 And under the firmament their wings were stretched out straight, one toward another; and each creature had two wings covering its body. 24 And when they went, I heard the sound of their wings like the sound of many waters, like the thunder of the Almighty, a sound of tumult like the sound of a host; when they stood still, they let down their wings. 25 And there came a voice from above the firmament over their heads; when they stood still, they let down their wings. 26 And above the firmament over their heads there was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like sapphire; and seated above the likeness of a throne was a likeness as it were of a human form.

23. The firmament (sky) is a fixed dome.
Ezekiel 10
1 Then I looked, and behold, on the firmament that was over the heads of the cherubim there appeared above them something like a sapphire, in form resembling a throne.

24. The earth is flat.
Daniel 4
10 The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. 11 The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth

25. The firmament (sky) is a fixed dome.
Amos 9:
6 who builds his upper chambers in the heavens and founds his vault upon the earth,

26. The earth is flat.
Matthew 4
8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them.

27. The firmament (sky) is a fixed dome. The stars are affixed to the firmament. If they come loose they will fall to earth.
Matthew 24
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;

28. The earth is flat.
Revelation 1
7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, every one who pierced him; and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.

29. The firmament (sky) is a fixed dome. The stars are affixed to it. If they come loose they will fall to earth. The earth is flat.
Revelation 6
13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale; 14 the sky vanished like a scroll that is rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the generals and the rich and the strong, and every one, slave and free, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;

30. The earth is flat like a table.
Revelation 7:
1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea, or against any tree.​

And there's more, but that will give you the idea.

As a good Christian, you're bound to be honest and open and straightforward, aren't you? Not to seek excuses or evasions or to affect indignation and so on, right?

So with Christian openness, honesty and frankness, tell us ─ do you agree with the cosmology the bible describes in the quotes above, or do you not?
 

McBell

Unbound
I do not.
yes, you do.
Denial does not make them go away.

What versionS of THE Bible do you use?
Already answered

You see you are deceived in this too.
It makes no sense to even have multiple versions of THE Bible. THE is a unique identifier.

As in THE word of God, not the multiple versions of the Bible.

You are deceived in so many things and it is obvious.
Yet you cannot say which version of the Bible is THE Word of God...

So have you ever read THE Bible, THE word of God.

Have you?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How do you explain the Cambrian explosion? In the Cambrian, all the basic body types are present but nothing before it. In the Cambrian, there are advanced creatures, with eyes, but nothing before it. In the Cambrian, there are advanced creatures like the trilobite but nothing before it. In the Cambrian, there are a bunch of other advanced features but nothing before it. These all prove evolution and billions of years false.
First, it was hardly an explosion. It lasted ten or twenty million years or so.

Environmental change drives evolution. It opens new niches. There was a mass extinction event. There was global warming. There were increased oxygen levels fueling higher metabolic possibilities. Details are unknown, but development often remains relatively static till a new biologic process or anatomic change chances to occur. Once an advantageous feature emerges it can spread like wildfire through a population and ramify throughout a biome into new species.

Whatever the causes, new phyla appeared. Half a billion years ago new phyla appeared. So what? You seem to think that an extraordinary or unexpected event is evidence for God or for magic poofing.
Unknown ≠ Goddidit!

In more recent, better understood times, what have we observed? Has life not changed in the last ten million years? What happened to the disappeared species? Where did all the new species come from? What mechanisms created them?
Hint: magic is not in the running.
 
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Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The theory of nothing does not answer anything about the origin of anything.
What was the first living creature?
Huh? "Theory of nothing?" Origins?
And what does the first living creature have to do with anything? Honestly, I don't see what you're getting at here. :shrug:
 
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