Questions that evolutionists and billions of years proponents cannot answer but disprove their theories.

[TagliatelliMonster]

The theory of the beginnings of the process of evolution most certaiinly and absolutely depends upon whatever theory of abiogenesis is considered.

No and it has been explained a bazillion times to you why not.
But alas:

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Since there is no God assumption, then Gen 1 is exactly how God did it about 6000 years ago.,

First of all, that doesn't follow. There's no no-unicorns assumption either but that doesn't lead to "therefor they fart rainbows" either.

Secondly, that was the epitome of intellectual dishonesty. So much so that if it turns out you're a poe, I would feel relieved.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You lack an understanding of science if you believe in evolution and billions of year.

I'm going to nominate you as the most closed minded, willfully ignorant person on the forum.
And contrary to what you might think, it is actually not an ad hominem.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Microbial life. DNA and/or RNA



What code? 20, approximately 3.7 billion years



About 600 copies of each triplet and 30 copies of each quadruplet.



It is thought to be the ocean.
Water protected it
Mostly nitrogen, hydrogen, water vapor, and carbon dioxide with lesser amounts of other gases


Clumped together



The sun



Possibly



Nitrogenase can be traced back to early bacteria



Your evidence for this is what.



Life has a way



Did it have one or did it rely on water?



Again, did it have one?



Again, did it have one?

Getting bored



Binary fission



Sunlight



Did it need to?



Did it need to?



irreducible complexity has been shown to be nonsense by science and by courts of law.



See above.



See above









Getting very bored so...
Flying and gliding animals - Wikipedia.

Considering you are going to refute all that with no evidence I'm giving up here as a waste of my time.


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Finally an attempt.

To the answer to "What was the first living thing made of? Was it DNA? Was it RNA? Was it just proteins? Was it some mix?"
You gave the absurd answer of "Microbial life. DNA and/or RNA"
first, and/or is not an answer.
DNA is an absurdity because that first living creature is impossible, way too advanced. RNA is also an absurdity, because it too is way too advanced. You did nit say proteins, so you do not understand basic biology. It will not survive without proteins. And with just RNA it will never make it to DNA, that is absurd. It is yet another miracle.

To the question, "What was its code? How many amino acids did it have? When did it come into being?"
That is not even an answer. Both RNA and/or DNA use a code. As to 3.7 billion year ago, you have yet to prove that there was anything older than about 6000 years. And according to the young faint sun paradox, the earth was a frozen snowball.

As to the answer to the question, "How many kinds of proteins did it have? How many of each?"
You said, "About 600 copies of each triplet and 30 copies of each quadruplet", you never answered what kind of proteins, which you missed in the first question. Triplet and quadruplet do not count as the question wanted an actual kind. And of course this first made up creature will not survive or have offspring.

As to the answer to the question, "
Where did it come into being? In space? In the atmosphere? In the ocean? In a tide pool?
In clay or mud? What protected it from UV rays? What was the composition of the atmosphere at that time?"
You said,
It is thought to be the ocean.
Water protected it
Mostly nitrogen, hydrogen, water vapor, and carbon dioxide with lesser amounts of other gases "
Looking for answers and you just have a thought. It would never have even assembled in the ocean beaus the water would dissipate it and not enough concentration of amino acids. Water destroys it, it does not protect it.

As to the answer to the question, "If it was in water, how did the amino acids keep from being dissipated by the water?"
You said, "Clumped together". But they do nit clump together, they are dispersed.

As to the answer to the question, "What was the energy source for these reactions."
You said, "Sunlight". But you said it was in the ocean. Sunlight is attenuated in water the deeper the depth. Also, remember that snowball earth is frozen. Also what would turn the sunlight into useable chemical energy. Photosynthesis needs a bit more than this fake first creature.

As to the answer to the question, "Where there any enzymes in it?"
You said, "Possibly"/ That is not an answer.

As to the answer to the question, "Which ones?"
You said, "Nitrogenase can be traced back to early bacteria". Going to need more enzymes for that. This first living creature is fiction. And just because it is in early bacteria (never proved early) does not mean it was in the first living creature. You are using circular reasoning twice just in that one phrase.

As to the answer to the question, "Surely the primitive thing could not last more than a minute much less than many years."
You said, "Your evidence for this is what." I already gave the answer. The more primitive the first fictional living creature, the more surely it will die because it has no protection, no food source, no way to remove waste, and no way to reproduce.

As to the answer to the question, "How did it survive?"
You said, "Life has a way". Not an answer.

As to the rest of your answers, they are not answers at all or they are just answers that are refuted.

 

[ChristineM]

Finally an attempt.

To the answer to "What was the first living thing made of? Was it DNA? Was it RNA? Was it just proteins? Was it some mix?"
You gave the absurd answer of "Microbial life. DNA and/or RNA"
first, and/or is not an answer.
DNA is an absurdity because that first living creature is impossible, way too advanced. RNA is also an absurdity, because it too is way too advanced. You did nit say proteins, so you do not understand basic biology. It will not survive without proteins. And with just RNA it will never make it to DNA, that is absurd. It is yet another miracle.

To the question, "What was its code? How many amino acids did it have? When did it come into being?"
That is not even an answer. Both RNA and/or DNA use a code. As to 3.7 billion year ago, you have yet to prove that there was anything older than about 6000 years. And according to the young faint sun paradox, the earth was a frozen snowball.

As to the answer to the question, "How many kinds of proteins did it have? How many of each?"
You said, "About 600 copies of each triplet and 30 copies of each quadruplet", you never answered what kind of proteins, which you missed in the first question. Triplet and quadruplet do not count as the question wanted an actual kind. And of course this first made up creature will not survive or have offspring.

As to the answer to the question, "
Where did it come into being? In space? In the atmosphere? In the ocean? In a tide pool?
In clay or mud? What protected it from UV rays? What was the composition of the atmosphere at that time?"
You said,
It is thought to be the ocean.
Water protected it
Mostly nitrogen, hydrogen, water vapor, and carbon dioxide with lesser amounts of other gases "
Looking for answers and you just have a thought. It would never have even assembled in the ocean beaus the water would dissipate it and not enough concentration of amino acids. Water destroys it, it does not protect it.

As to the answer to the question, "If it was in water, how did the amino acids keep from being dissipated by the water?"
You said, "Clumped together". But they do nit clump together, they are dispersed.

As to the answer to the question, "What was the energy source for these reactions."
You said, "Sunlight". But you said it was in the ocean. Sunlight is attenuated in water the deeper the depth. Also, remember that snowball earth is frozen. Also what would turn the sunlight into useable chemical energy. Photosynthesis needs a bit more than this fake first creature.

As to the answer to the question, "Where there any enzymes in it?"
You said, "Possibly"/ That is not an answer.

As to the answer to the question, "Which ones?"
You said, "Nitrogenase can be traced back to early bacteria". Going to need more enzymes for that. This first living creature is fiction. And just because it is in early bacteria (never proved early) does not mean it was in the first living creature. You are using circular reasoning twice just in that one phrase.

As to the answer to the question, "Surely the primitive thing could not last more than a minute much less than many years."
You said, "Your evidence for this is what." I already gave the answer. The more primitive the first fictional living creature, the more surely it will die because it has no protection, no food source, no way to remove waste, and no way to reproduce.

As to the answer to the question, "How did it survive?"
You said, "Life has a way". Not an answer.

As to the rest of your answers, they are not answers at all or they are just answers that are refuted.

Unless you can provide evidence of your claims (which i can for mine)...
Welcome to my ignore list, it's reserved for spammers and those who are deliberately ignorant. Which are you?.

And please don't call me/imply i am a liar, I am atheist and have god belief to lie for

 

[SavedByTheLord]

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Unless you can provide evidence of your claims (which i can for mine)...
Welcome to my ignore list, it's reserved for spammers and those who are deliberately ignorant. Which are you?.

And please don't call me/imply i am a liar, I am atheist and have god belief to lie for

I just respond to false accusations.
As to evolutionists and those that believe in billions of years, they are deceived by the great deceover.

Satan deceives the whole world - Rev 12

But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. - 2 Tim 3:13

 

[ChristineM]

I just respond to false accusations.
As to evolutionists and those that believe in billions of years, they are deceived by the great deceover.

Satan deceives the whole world - Rev 12

But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. - 2 Tim 3:13

So you don't recognise the 9th commandment. Fair enough.

Do you have evidence satan exists or are you simply copying the typical christian idea seeded by Dante Alighieri and Hieronymus Bosch?

And of course no evidence of your claims, goodbye

 

[SavedByTheLord]

So you don't recognise the 9th commandment. Fair enough.

Do you have evidence satan exists or are you simply copying the typical christian idea seeded by Dante Alighieri and Hieronymus Bosch?

And of course no evidence of your claims, goodbye

More false accusations. Yes I recognize that you are breaking the 9th commandment.

Spoke twice by God the Creator and written twice by His own finger.

For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. - Exodus 20:11

 

[Subduction Zone]

I just respond to false accusations.
As to evolutionists and those that believe in billions of years, they are deceived by the great deceover.

Satan deceives the whole world - Rev 12

But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. - 2 Tim 3:13

You seem to believe that Satan has the power of creation.


How strong is Satan in your version of your myth?

 

[Subduction Zone]

More false accusations. Yes I recognize that you are breaking the 9th commandment.

Spoke twice by God the Creator and written twice by His own finger.

For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. - Exodus 20:11

Are you talking about the Ten Commandments? No wonder you do not follow the Ninth Commandment. Either Moses's memory failed him or God changed the Commandments. You appear to have never read the Commandments that he carves the second time in the Exodus myth.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

You seem to believe that Satan has the power of creation.


How strong is Satan in your version of your myth?

More false accusations by you.
You are deceived by Satan.

God created all things including your boss Satan.

 

[Subduction Zone]

More false accusations by you.
You are deceived by Satan.

God created all things including your boss Satan.

Wait, God created Satan? Okay, let's see if you can reason rationally. I am betting that you canot.

God is omnipotent and omniscient. Is that true?

 

[ChristineM]

Spoke twice by God the Creator and written twice by His own finger.

I have read 3 different versions of the bible and snippets of several others and i have never (thats NEVER) seen any book or verse penned by anyone named god.

What was that about the 9th commandment?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Wait, God created Satan? Okay, let's see if you can reason rationally. I am betting that you canot.

God is omnipotent and omniscient. Is that true?

Of course God knows all, You have no knowledge of scripture. Here it talks about how God created your boss the DevIl. Says itb2 times.

12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Ezek 28:12-19

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of course God knows all, You have no knowledge of scripture. Here it talks about how God created your boss the DevIl. Says itb2 times.

12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Ezek 28:12-19

Please, new rule. no Bible nonsense in your responses. One can "prove" almost anything thing by abusing the Bible. I can even prove that God does not exist if I quote mine it.

"There is no God" the Bible in at least 20 different places. You need to find all of them to refute my quotation. "

The above is an abuse of the Bible. It is not that different from what you do. So let's leave your book of myths out of the discussion for now.

So, one more time: Is God omniscient and omnipotent?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

So you don't recognise the 9th commandment. Fair enough.

Do you have evidence satan exists or are you simply copying the typical christian idea seeded by Dante Alighieri and Hieronymus Bosch?

And of course no evidence of your claims, goodbye

Wait, God created Satan? Okay, let's see if you can reason rationally. I am betting that you canot.

God is omnipotent and omniscient. Is that true?

I'm sure you are both aware that you will only receive more regurgitated Bible verses, further deflection, more accusations, and more Gish gallop. I think that it has become abundantly clear that neither of you will receive a sensible answer to your questions. It's like trying to reason with a solid brick wall.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have read 3 different versions of the bible and snippets of several others and i have never (thats NEVER) seen any book or verse penned by anyone named god.

What was that about the 9th commandment?

I had to laugh because he was referring to the Ten Commandments and how God carved them out of stone. The problem is that the second set had different rules from the first. You can read the account here:

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 34 - Contemporary English Version

The Second Set of Commandments -(Deuteronomy 10.1-5)One day the Lord said to Moses, “Cut two flat stones like the first ones I made, and I will write on them the same commandments that were on the two you broke. Be ready tomorrow morning to come up Mount Sinai and meet me at the top. No one is...

www.biblegateway.com

This is the Ninth Commandment there

" I am the Lord your God, and you must bring the first part of your harvest to the place of worship."

And the Tenth is a real winner:

"Don't boil a young goat in its mother's milk."

In modern English that amounts to a ban on cheeseburgers.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Please, new rule. no Bible nonsense in your responses. One can "prove" almost anything thing by abusing the Bible. I can even prove that God does not exist if I quote mine it.

"There is no God" the Bible in at least 20 different places. You need to find all of them to refute my quotation. "

The above is an abuse of the Bible. It is not that different from what you do. So let's leave your book of myths out of the discussion for now.

So, one more time: Is God omniscient and omnipotent?

Why? You must hate the word of God and the God of the Bible. I love God and I love His word.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why? You must hate the word of God and the God of the Bible. I love God and I love His word.

I don't hate the word of God. I do not even hate the Bible which is clearly not the word of God. The Bible paints its God as evil and incompetent. A being that only merits pity. And I do not hate that God eiher.

Do you hate Lord Voldemort? Do you hate Lex Luthor? How about the Joker? They are merely fictional characters. They are part of a story. They do not merit hate. Nor does your fictional God.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

I don't hate the word of God. I do not even hate the Bible which is clearly not the word of God. The Bible paints its God as evil and incompetent. A being that only merits pity. And I do not hate that God eiher.

Do you hate Lord Voldemort? Do you hate Lex Luthor? How about the Joker? They are merely fictional characters. They are part of a story. They do not merit hate. Nor does your fictional God.

Those are fictional characters, but the God of the Bible is real. All will eventually meet Him.