TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
I'll use a forklift, you'll ask god for help.What would one do otherwise, please?
Regards
I'll be moving the box, and you'll just sit there.
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
I'll use a forklift, you'll ask god for help.What would one do otherwise, please?
Regards
Then please let us know reasonable "signs" from which one could know distinctly that a "book" or a "chapter" or a "passage" or a "sentence" is from G-d and not written by a human being.
That may help in the issue. Right, please?
Regards
Thanks for the reply."Muslims need to differentiate between the sin and the sinner. We wholeheartedly condemn disbelief and disapprove it yet we do not hate the disbeliever and we do not banish him. We rather look at him with the eyes of mercy and compassion and pray for his guidance and his return back to the way of His Lord the Almighty.
dar-alifta.org/Foreign/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=738&CategoryID=6"
I will like to amend the passage thus: "Muslims need to differentiate between the sin and the sinner. We don't approve disbelief yet we do not hate the disbeliever and we do not banish him. We rather look at him with the eyes of mercy and compassion and pray for his guidance and look for his joining the way of His Lord the Almighty with reasons, arguments and peaceful dialogue". Right, please? Regards
Step 1: Define what you mean with "God" or "G-d"?Then please let us know reasonable "signs" from which one could know distinctly that a "book" or a "chapter" or a "passage" or a "sentence" is from G-d and not written by a human being. That may help in the issue. Right, please? Regards
Is there a verse in the Truthful Religion which prohibits one not to use the forklift for moving and just sit idle doing nothing, please?I'll use a forklift, you'll ask god for help.
I'll be moving the box, and you'll just sit there.
There are two persons one is a human being, and the other is G-d. One has expressed one's view point and there is no compulsion on one to believe in G-d that He Converses with the human beings.Sure,the god should speak to everyone and not to just one person and reveal the book to everyone simultaneously.
"Define what you mean with "God" or "G-d"?"Step 1: Define what you mean with "God" or "G-d"?
Step 2: Can we make "any" image of God (mental, verbal, physical?)
Step 3: Is it reasonable to look for "signs" to know if book/chapter/verse is from God?
So, if G-d would have had the Converse with Muhammad in an unknown language "other than Arabic" not known to the people around him, then one would have believed:That it's a book with text in it in a human language, is pretty much a clear-cut sign that it's of human origins.
Humans write books.
I know of no other entity that does this.
Quran answers this situation:I asked you the question.
Don't answer questions with another question.
My question was straightforward. It asked what the quran had to say about apostates.
Why don't you want to just answer it?
I believe I agree that it is inspired by God but not a direct word. Usually a direct word will be prefaced by the word "say."
So, if G-d would have had the Converse with Muhammad in an unknown language "other than Arabic" not known to the people around him, then one would have believed:
Right, please?
- in G-d and
- Muhammad as His truthful Messenger/Prophet Muhammad, without hesitation, please.
Is that acceptable to every non-believer from Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism/Humanism (whatever their denomination/no-denomination) with consensus, please?
There's more then just that.Quran answers this situation:
[4:138]اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡا ثُمَّ کَفَرُوۡا ثُمَّ اٰمَنُوۡا ثُمَّ کَفَرُوۡا ثُمَّ ازۡدَادُوۡا کُفۡرًا لَّمۡ یَکُنِ اللّٰہُ لِیَغۡفِرَ لَہُمۡ وَ لَا لِیَہۡدِیَہُمۡ سَبِیۡلًا ﴿۱۳۸﴾ؕ
Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 4: An-Nisa'
Is that clear and fits with one's rationality (or with what is practically done in any country in the West in our times), please?
Regards
Tell us that which is more than that, please.There's more then just that.
Step 1: Define what you mean with "God" or "G-d"?
Step 2: Can we make "any" image of God (mental, verbal, physical?)
Step 3: Is it reasonable to look for "signs" to know if book/chapter/verse is from God?
Directly told by G-d to Muhammad, not made by Muhammad:
[112:1]بِسۡمِ اللّٰہِ الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِیۡمِ﴿۱﴾
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[112:5]وَ لَمۡ یَکُنۡ لَّہٗ کُفُوًا اَحَدٌ ٪﴿۵﴾
‘And there is none like unto Him.’
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 112: Al-Ikhlas
Thanks for sharing the Koran verses. Reminds me of Hindu Scriptures declaring "Satyam Shivam Sundaram" (Truth, Godliness, Beauty) and "God is beyond words, they are just used to explain the unexplainable". Sai Baba gave some additional insights about God; are below quotes OK with one, please?Is this definition OK with one, please?
Regards
"automagically"No. You'ld still end up with a book written by humans. Only this time in an unknown language.
Now if it would be a book with magical / supernatural properties, then you might have something...
For example, if the text in it automagically appears in the language of the one holding it. Like when I look at it, it is in Dutch. If I pass it on to a french person, the text appears french to that person.
And made from indestructible magical unknown materials.
But then again, it wouldn't conclusively prove it came from god. It might just as well have come from advanced aliens.
See this is the problem.... you are merely asserting the causal link, while you should actually be demonstrating the causal link.
I can't speak for others.
Tell us that which is more than that, please.
Regards
"All religions proclaim the Oneness of Divinity and preach the cultivation of Universal Love without regard to caste, creed, country or colour"Thanks for sharing the Koran verses. Reminds me of Hindu Scriptures declaring "Satyam Shivam Sundaram" (Truth, Godliness, Beauty) and "God is beyond words, they are just used to explain the unexplainable". Sai Baba gave some additional insights about God; are below quotes OK with one, please?
Sai Baba explained about God the following:
The basic truth in all religions…is one and the same. The philosophical ideas or practices and methods of approach may vary but the final objective and goal is only one. All religions proclaim the Oneness of Divinity and preach the cultivation of Universal Love without regard to caste, creed, country or colour.
Swami declared that there is only one God, and He is omnipresent. God is both formless and with numberless forms. All names and forms are his. We should therefore not discriminate between one form (or name) and another, but see all forms and names as the one and same God who is worshipped everywhere.
The true dwelling place of God is the heart of man, and the same God dwells in all beings. All the beings in the universe are the creation of God, and there is nothing in this world that is not divine. All are One. When people observe differences between one and another, these differences arise from our feelings of “mine and yours”. Everything we see in this world is an aspect of divinity. There is nothing else other than this. Only One exists in this world and there is no second.
Albert Einstein explained a similar idea as seen from a scientist's viewpoint:
A human being is part of the whole that we call the universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest—a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures, and the whole of Nature in its beauty… We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if mankind is to survive.
"automagically"
"I can't speak for others"
So, one joined Atheism out of
superstition or magic, hence, one is a weird person among the Atheism even. Right, please?
Be happy!
Regards
"All religions proclaim the Oneness of Divinity and preach the cultivation of Universal Love without regard to caste, creed, country or colour"
I agree with the above colored in magenta being an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.
Regards
You are certainly peaceful enough here in these forums, at the very least."All religions proclaim the Oneness of Divinity and preach the cultivation of Universal Love without regard to caste, creed, country or colour"
I agree with the above colored in magenta being an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.
Regards