But doesn't the OP claim that God authored the Quran?
I disagree with claim, and yes, I believe there are contradictions with this claim.
If He did, then that verse makes no sense.
True.
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But doesn't the OP claim that God authored the Quran?
If He did, then that verse makes no sense.
"I do not support the assertion that God actually wrote the Quran"I do not support the assertion that God actually wrote the Quran nor any of the scripture of the Abrahamic religions.
As a Baha'i I see God's inspiration and influence in scriptures, but also the human influence of the cultures of the times. They all pray to God.
More circular reasoning. In other words you are saying that if I start a religion all I have to do to prove it is true is to say that it is from God and there will be people that deny this. Tell me that you do not see a problem with this.Quotes Series: From Quran- Authored by G-d not by Muhammad
[29:49]وَ مَا کُنۡتَ تَتۡلُوۡا مِنۡ قَبۡلِہٖ مِنۡ کِتٰبٍ وَّ لَا تَخُطُّہٗ بِیَمِیۡنِکَ اِذًا لَّارۡتَابَ الۡمُبۡطِلُوۡنَ ﴿۴۹﴾
And thou didst not recite any Book before it, nor didst thou write one with thy right hand; in that case the liars would have doubted.
[29:50]بَلۡ ہُوَ اٰیٰتٌۢ بَیِّنٰتٌ فِیۡ صُدُوۡرِ الَّذِیۡنَ اُوۡتُوا الۡعِلۡمَ ؕ وَ مَا یَجۡحَدُ بِاٰیٰتِنَاۤ اِلَّا الظّٰلِمُوۡنَ ﴿۵۰﴾
Nay, it is a collection of clear Signs in the hearts of those who are given knowledge. And none but the wrongdoers deny Our Signs.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 29: Al-`Ankabut
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"I do not support the assertion that God actually wrote the Quran"
Quran as the natural word "Quran" means is "a reading/recitation" authored by G-d and was primarily a Verbal Exhortation that G-d descended on the heart of Muhammad and Muhammad learnt it by heart and from Muhammad learnt his companions by heart and so on and so forth generation after generation. The system continues till date in almost every part of the World where Muslims live.
Quran was not in writing primarily.
Muhammad dictated it also to some scribes as a secondary measures. Both the systems are intact and support one another.
It is wrong to say that G-d wrote it, it is simply incorrect.
Right, please?
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Quotes Series: From Quran- Authored by G-d not by Muhammad
[29:49]وَ مَا کُنۡتَ تَتۡلُوۡا مِنۡ قَبۡلِہٖ مِنۡ کِتٰبٍ وَّ لَا تَخُطُّہٗ بِیَمِیۡنِکَ اِذًا لَّارۡتَابَ الۡمُبۡطِلُوۡنَ ﴿۴۹﴾
And thou didst not recite any Book before it, nor didst thou write one with thy right hand; in that case the liars would have doubted.
[29:50]بَلۡ ہُوَ اٰیٰتٌۢ بَیِّنٰتٌ فِیۡ صُدُوۡرِ الَّذِیۡنَ اُوۡتُوا الۡعِلۡمَ ؕ وَ مَا یَجۡحَدُ بِاٰیٰتِنَاۤ اِلَّا الظّٰلِمُوۡنَ ﴿۵۰﴾
Nay, it is a collection of clear Signs in the hearts of those who are given knowledge. And none but the wrongdoers deny Our Signs.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 29: Al-`Ankabut
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Please explain how that is any different from the Bible and the Baha'i Writings. Which are also God given Messages by God's Messengers Jesus Christ, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.
In the case of the Bab and Baha'u'llah, they wrote a lot, so maybe more accurate to say God wrote through them. The same explanations with supporting scriptures can also be given.
Regards Tony
Quotes Series: From Quran- Authored by G-d not by Muhammad
Quran is authored by G-d, not by Muhammad:
[26:193]وَ اِنَّہٗ لَتَنۡزِیۡلُ رَبِّ الۡعٰلَمِیۡنَ ﴿۱۹۳﴾ؕ
And verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
[26:194]نَزَلَ بِہِ الرُّوۡحُ الۡاَمِیۡنُ ﴿۱۹۴﴾ۙ
The Spirit, Faithful to the Trust, has descended with it.
[26:196]بِلِسَانٍ عَرَبِیٍّ مُّبِیۡنٍ ﴿۱۹۶﴾ؕ
In plain and clear Arabic tongue.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 26: Ash-Shu`ara'
Quran is not imagination of Muhammad's brain/mind/heart etc, and Muhammad never described it as such. Right, please?
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I describe it inspired by God, and written by Muhammad as with the writings of Baha'u'llah. The above does hedge on your original assertion."I do not support the assertion that God actually wrote the Quran"
Quran as the natural word "Quran" means is "a reading/recitation" authored by G-d and was primarily a Verbal Exhortation that G-d descended on the heart of Muhammad and Muhammad learnt it by heart and from Muhammad learnt his companions by heart and so on and so forth generation after generation. The system continues till date in almost every part of the World where Muslims live.
Quran was not in writing primarily.
Muhammad dictated it also to some scribes as a secondary measures. Both the systems are intact and support one another.
It is wrong to say that G-d wrote it, it is simply incorrect.
Right, please?
Regards
Regards
"I do not support the assertion that God actually wrote the Quran"
Quran as the natural word "Quran" means is "a reading/recitation" authored by G-d and was primarily a Verbal Exhortation that G-d descended on the heart of Muhammad and Muhammad learnt it by heart and from Muhammad learnt his companions by heart and so on and so forth generation after generation. The system continues till date in almost every part of the World where Muslims live.
Quran was not in writing primarily.
Muhammad dictated it also to some scribes as a secondary measures. Both the systems are intact and support one another.
It is wrong to say that G-d wrote it, it is simply incorrect.
Right, please?
Regards
Regards
"Have you ever read the Dhammapada ?"Have you ever read the Dhammapada ? Or Lankavatara Sutra ? Or the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali ?
Is there any reason why you wouldn’t ?
Is reading these books haram ?
Do you have any idea what they contain ?
Have you ever read the Dhammapada ? Or Lankavatara Sutra ? Or the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali ?
If so, would you agree that spiritual teaching can be given without reference to God ?
Do you consider Gautama and Patanjali to be messengers ?
If not, can you please explain why not ?
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Yes, I have read Dhammapada and liked it very much.
I have also read "Gospel of Buddha".
I have read "The Bhagavad Gita".
I believe Buddha and Krishna were Prophets/Messengers of G-d .
Right, please?
"Have you ever read the Dhammapada ?"
Yes, I have read Dhammapada and liked it very much.
I have also read "Gospel of Buddha".
I have read "The Bhagavad Gita".
I believe Buddha and Krishna were Prophets/Messengers of G-d .
Right, please?
Has one read Quran from cover to cover, please.
If not please start reading it.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 1: Al-Fatihah
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If this is the case the Quran is not the only scripture inspired by God.
"Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help. Guide us in the right path." Quran 1:5-6 by G-d.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 1: Al-Fatihah
Does one agree with the above? Or one doesn't?
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But it is the only text mentioned which denies that self realisation is non-dual, and asserts that divinity is fundamentally separate from our own nature. It is also the only text in that group which demands unquestioning belief in an intermediary “messenger”, to an extent that is virtually worship of an ordinary human being.
That demand is made by the very being who wrote the book !
And THAT is hubris demanding idolatry.
I already stated that I believed that God did not author the Quran. My challenge @paarsurrey is presenting the contradictory view that the Quran is the only book authored by God, but stating that other religious leaders are manifestations of God.
"Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help. Guide us in the right path." Quran 1:5-6 by G-d.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 1: Al-Fatihah
Does one agree with the above? Or one doesn't?
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Does one agree with the contents of the two verses? If one agrees, and which I understand one does, then of course no discussion could ensue. Right, please?
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I might agree -- if and only if I could get that guidance to the "right path" directly from the source. But if I have to get it from an Iman or some other human who pretends to know God's mind, then no, I don't.
So far in my life, God has never spoken to me. A lot of ordinary humans have pretended that they could tell me what God wants me to know -- but I have zero reason to believe them, so I don't.
Well, I can't think why you'd say that's where "most people" are -- since more than two-thirds of the word are NOT Christian.I believe back when I did not have a day to day relationship with Jesus, I depended on His word. I believe that is where most people are in their walk.