"They are the same man that is what i keep telling you, the rectation of quran never changed, the recitation of the quran never changed, the recitation of the quran never changed.
Are you saying that Uthman would change the recitation that was given to him by Muhammed. "
What you are missing is this:
Once the Qur'an hit paper, it became a document, and as such it is subject to the nature of writings:
1) writing requires an alphabet
2) a written document becomes the legitimate document.
The Quran by Definition is a recitation. And as such the recitation of it has not ever changed.
The alphabet that the Qur'an was originally written in changed drastically over the centuries. For the first big change it acquired vowell representation that ws not used when the Qur'an ws first written down.
How? How did it change drastically. And where is your evidence for this drastic change over the years. i gave you a book of reference go and read it man if you want to know the knowledge on it.
It is the same as when you open a dictionary and see how to pronouce the words correctly with the correct vowel pronunciation. they were making sure that the recitation of the Quran which came to Muhammed which was taught to the companions which 1000's upon 1000's at the time memorized. They knew it already, but they put it down do it would not be lost.
The spoken language changes over time as well, and as each generation learns the Qur'an 'by heart' they do not do it from recitation anymore, they do it from the written text.
but the Quran we are reciting from is from the companions of the messenger they gave us the quran and hadith. Now since there is only one text authorized by the islamic state by first the best of companions and hafiz in Quran Abu Bakr. he kept that copy with him and it passed on to his daughter Aishah the wife of the Messenger. Now the same copy that Abu Bakr had(minus the marks) was passed on till it got to Uthman. so the original is still there. Umar and Uthman and all of the greatest of Sahaba were hafiz. so because Uthman and countless other companions of the Messenger those who witnessed the Quran and lived the hadith we follow he, Uthman made sure that the Qurans recitation was preserved in the manner of the Messenger pbuh.
Please show me how the Quran changed. I just do not understand open up a dictionary look at the word in parenthesis the transliteration of the word. Has the word changed when they do that. they wrote it out differently but has it changed. In some Quran by the arabic they write the words out for you. Like when you write my name in Arabic does it look like how it is written in English. You are spelling out how to say the word correctly and this is what they did to the arabic. to make sure that the recitation that the Messenger recited which was the one he taught to his companions was preserved. uthman was one of those who was taught it that way.
you can declare the recitation never changed, but you have no definitive evidence that it never changed. Neither you nor i has ever heard Muhammad recite.
Wow, you are calling the Messenger of Allah a liar, as well as his companions. Because one you probably do not know what the Messegner of Allah said about the righteousness of his companions.
I guess a recitation coming straight from the ones who walked with him ie. the companions is not sufficient. But you will however accept the bible as truth when it did not come from Jesus companions, nor of the people they claim it is from. It came from anonymous people. that is amazing. Our books came from the one's who actually witnessed everything and you say it is false.
when the Christians books are not even from eye witness accounts and you accept it as truth from God. amazing.
As the Qur'an spread it did change in dialect and substance, because new people learned the recitation and not all of them were native speakers of Arabic. The written text became more important than ever.
If you say so, give me your evidence.
I don't think you understand that the Gospels are just the same. they were oral tradition, written down so they could be transmitted from community to community. In each transcription they might change a little--just in emphasis and dialect.
If you say so, I guess testimony of witness is not an essential part of it. consistency in testimony is not important. Authority of testimony is not important.
It's my contention that this kind of change does not really matter for either Islam or Christianity since God protects His Own word.
Well prove the bible is the infallible word of God then. Based on the testimonial consistency of it. Which hour did Jesus die? What did he say on the cross? Who was at his grave site? show me that these are actually the documents of John, Luke etc.
you may need to make sure we are looking at the same bible.
Christians realize the vagaries of language and accept that language changes over time.
We are not talking about changes in language we are talking about the actual changing of the texts before it is even translated.
This rigidity may come back to haunt the institution of Islam, but it cannot really harm the faith of Islam, though it may test and shatter the faith of individuals.
The rigidity of you and everyother person who is non muslim to the fact that Allah has made it clear in the Quran and the Sunnah what He wants from us. And He said what will be the fate of those who reject his ayat and the commands of His Messenger Muhammed who is his seal and last of all prophets. Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant for if you have read the Quran, Allah tells you the fate of all those who come with anything other than submission.
