Quran is free of errors

[McBell]

Response: Says the self-proclaimed hypocrite.

What are you, like 8 years old?



EDIT:
To all the eight year olds of the world....
I sincerely apologize.
I meant no insult.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Response: Says the self-proclaimed hypocrite.

Better to be a self-proclaimed hypocrite than a parrot

 

[Don Penguinoini]

EDIT:
To all the eight year olds of the world...
I sincerely apologize.
I meant no insult.

When i was 8, i would cry if someone thought i was on the same level as maturity as him.

 

[Fatihah]

These verses clearly describe a chronology of creation, first starting with the earth, then the planets (referring to the geocentric model prevalent in the 7th century in the process) before finally finishing with the stars.

The funniest freaking thing about all of this? Fatihah claims to be ignorant about the evidence proving the earth formed after the stars despite it directly stemming from the same big bang theory he claims the koran predicted!!!! It is like a comedy trainwreck.


Response: It is you who put the verses there in your example. With that said, you once again confirm your inability to comprehend. It is you who just highlighted in red that the earth was "created".

Moving on, it is you that said that the heavens were "completed" in 6 days.

Now what does it say about the stars? It says that the lower heaven was "adorned" with stars, not "created", but "adorned". Adorned and create are not synonymous in any way. So once again, we thank you for not only showing that there is no error in the qur'an but that you can't comprehend simple english words, confirming your reliability in any logic you claim.

 

[McBell]

when i was 8, i would cry if someone thought i was on the same level as maturity as him.

yo bruno!!
Woooosh!!!

 

[Fatihah]

​

Response: Still in denial.

 

[Fatihah]

Better to be a self-proclaimed hypocrite than a parrot

Response: Then you shouldn't be a parrot.

 

[McBell]

Response: Still in denial.

You seem to have an extreme handicap in comprehending the difference between denial and disagreement.

What I find the most ironic is all the talk about how human intelligence supposedly puts them into a category above animals, but the ones most endorsing this theory are also the ones providing the most and best evidence showing it is a big bunch of BS.

 

[themadhair]

Response: It is you who put the verses there in your example.

Obviously. Hence why at the top of those versus it said the source.

With that said, you once again confirm your inability to comprehend. It is you who just highlighted in red that the earth was "created".

I highlighted it to emphasise that, according to the koran, the earth was created before the stars.

Moving on, it is you that said that the heavens were "completed" in 6 days.

I was merely quoting what the koran said.

Now what does it say about the stars? It says that the lower heaven was "adorned" with stars, not "created", but "adorned". Adorned and create are not synonymous in any way.

Adorned, as used by the koran, quite clearly refers to Allah creating the stars and placing them in the sky. The fact that, at least according to this passage, the stars were not present in the sky before Allah took this action indicates this was a moment of creation.
The verses are clearly describing a chronology of creation starting with the earth and ending with the stars. Pretty much the thinking we would expect from 7th century writers.

Also, you do realise that you are actually misrepresenting the koran here Fatihah?

 

[McBell]

Also, you do realise that you are actually misrepresenting the koran here Fatihah?

IMPOSSIBLE!!!
My God man, don't you realize it is not even remotely possible for a Muslim to misrepresent the Koran?

Just ask Fatihah, I bet he will agree....

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Response: Says the self-proclaimed hypocrite.

Response: You didn't go back and look at post #122, which clearly shows that you are a hypocrite.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Response: Then you shouldn't be a parrot.

Response: I know you are, but what am I?

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Also, you do realise that you are actually misrepresenting the koran here Fatihah?

Hey! I'm just curious - can a Muslim go to Hell for intentionally misquoting the Koran like that?

I mean, wouldn't a good Muslim not lie about what is in the Koran?

Allah is going to be ****** off when he finds out about this.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Response: Then you shouldn't be a parrot.

As once said by a great man previously, i pose this question:

Polly want a cracker?

 

[TashaN]

Guys, regardless of what the issue at hand here was about. You all know that there was a time when no body was ever aware of anything called "Big Bang", and don't forget that until now it's just a theory, and they are not certain of everything they have concluded, because they are still studying the matter more in order to go beyond the big bang theory. So, it's really astonishing to see people here accusing the Quran to be wrong about something, just because scientists didn't reach in knowledge and in their experiments to what the Quran is talking about.

Here, i won't go into the details of the big bang because i'm not expert in the field, but i'm just trying to understand why some people are so stubborn, narrow minded, and so arrogant, believing that what scientists have reached today is the last thing they will come up with and there would be no one who will come in the future who would dare to challenge these theories scientifically.

I hope i just misunderstood what was going on in here, otherwise, you guys made a secene out of plain ignorance of common sesne.

 

[YmirGF]

Guys, regardless of what the issue at hand here was about. You all know that there was a time when no body was ever aware of anything called "Big Bang", and don't forget that until now it's just a theory, and they are not certain of everything they have concluded, because they are still studying the matter more in order to go beyond the big bang theory. So, it's really astonishing to see people here accusing the Quran to be wrong about something, just because scientists didn't reach in knowledge and in their experiments to what the Quran is talking about.

Isn't is just as astonishing that some Muslims are willing to go through mental gymnastics into order to show some vague phrases from the Qur'an are talking about the Big Bang? Am I missing something in those poorly phrased words, TarshaN? To be blunt about it, if one inserts God into Big Bang Theory then you no longer have the Big Bang Theory. What you get is creationism because NOTHING existed outside of the singularity that precipitated the Big Bang. Is this all that difficult to understand?

Here, i won't go into the details of the big bang because i'm not expert in the field, but i'm just trying to understand why some people are so stubborn, narrow minded, and so arrogant, believing that what scientists have reached today is the last thing they will come up with and there would be no one who will come in the future who would dare to challenge these theories scientifically.

I did ask Fatihah just that. What will Muslims do after accepting that this vague phrasing is talking about the Big Bang and then watch science go past the Big Bang theory and on to another theory? Muslims will look a bit silly at that point.

I hope i just misunderstood what was going on in here, otherwise, you guys made a scene out of plain ignorance of common sense.

The problem with this TashaN is that science does not recognize miracles so there is little point in Muslim's coining the term "scientific miracles". It's more than a bit of wishful think as well as being an oxymoron.

If you have anything of value to add to the argument supporting the endlessly amusing notion of "scientific miracles" in the Qur'an, I'm all ears.

 

[themadhair]

and don't forget that until now it's just a theory

Are you implying that a scientific theory can ever become something other than a theory?

So, it's really astonishing to see people here accusing the Quran to be wrong about something, just because scientists didn't reach in knowledge and in their experiments to what the Quran is talking about.

The koran has been demonstrated, on this very thread, to have gotten things wrong. No biggie, it happens. The bit that that begs questioning though is why there are Muslims, again on this very thread, engaging in a debauchery of science trying to show otherwise. Moreover, some of these same Muslims are claiming the koran possesses divine knowledge of scientific facts – the so-called examples of this have been painfully torn apart, again on this very thread.

But the bit that really stands out – in attempting to show the koran contains scientific information those same Muslims have demonstrated a level of scientific illiteracy that is simply shocking.

Here, i won't go into the details of the big bang because i'm not expert in the field, but i'm just trying to understand why some people are so stubborn, narrow minded, and so arrogant, believing that what scientists have reached today is the last thing they will come up with <1> and there would be no one who will come in the future who would dare to challenge these theories scientifically<2>.

<1> No one has claimed that. Please reread the thread because I do not see where this interpretation comes from.
<2> If you want to challenge modern science you have to provide evidence. Hard concept this apparently.

I hope i just misunderstood what was going on in here, otherwise, you guys made a secene out of plain ignorance of common sesne.

I feel no shame in taking someone to task for making outrageous and false claims. Claiming the koran is free of errors, and even predicted modern scientific theories, is an outrageous claim. This thread, and others on the same topic, have taken those claims and repudiated them. Surely it is common sense to challenge such claims.

 

[YmirGF]

Surely it is common sense to challenge such claims.

:yes:

"The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness."

"And when such claims are extraordinary, that is, revolutionary in their implications for established scientific generalizations already accumulated and verified, we must demand extraordinary proof."

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

Evidently these concepts are not well understood in the rarified realm of Muslim circular reasoning.

 

[themadhair]

Kai deserves credit for posting this one:

Therefore, the seeker after the truth is not one who studies the writings of the ancients and, following his natural disposition, puts his trust in them, but rather the one who suspects his faith in them and questions what he gathers from them, the one who submits to argument and demonstration, and not to the sayings of a human being whose nature is fraught with all kinds of imperfection and deficiency. Thus the duty of the man who investigates the writings of scientists, if learning the truth is his goal, is to make himself an enemy of all that he reads, and, applying his mind to the core and margins of its content, attack it from every side. He should also suspect himself as he performs his critical examination of it, so that he may avoid falling into either prejudice or leniency

 

[Caladan]

Guys, regardless of what the issue at hand here was about. You all know that there was a time when no body was ever aware of anything called "Big Bang", and don't forget that until now it's just a theory, and they are not certain of everything they have concluded, because they are still studying the matter more in order to go beyond the big bang theory. So, it's really astonishing to see people here accusing the Quran to be wrong about something, just because scientists didn't reach in knowledge and in their experiments to what the Quran is talking about.

I am not sure I understood you completely. but lets give it a go.
you concluded this part of your post with saying that scientists through their research are yet to reach what the Qur'an has presented within its Suras about 1400 years ago.
I find this remark very strange. you are willing to say (again if I understood you correctly) that the Qur'an has higher information than the many decades and even centuries of research by learned men and women, who have observed, studied and experimented different possible models for the beginning of the universe.
much of this research was done 1400 years after the writing of the Qur'an, when the science of today would indeed be considered heavenly miracles by the people of the 7th century.
I realize the power of tradition, but if you are open minded enough, you will recognize a problem in this approach.

Here, i won't go into the details of the big bang because i'm not expert in the field, but i'm just trying to understand why some people are so stubborn, narrow minded, and so arrogant, believing that what scientists have reached today is the last thing they will come up with and there would be no one who will come in the future who would dare to challenge these theories scientifically.

People do not believe in the definite and supreme knowledge or in the complete understanding of the theories we now hold. how ever, people in this century rightly give credit to researched theories, which are based in numerous evidence rather than be satisfied with attributing to world scriptures the wrong authority as if we do not have the means and understandings we have today.
the big bang theory is NOT the only theoretical model we have, its simply the most accepted one. and it is based on observed evidence:

Originally posted by nasa.gov
The Big Bang Model is supported by a number of important observations, each of which are described in more detail on separate pages:
The expansion of the universe Edwin Hubble's 1929 observation that galaxies were generally receding from us provided the first clue that the Big Bang theory might be right. The abundance of the light elements H, He, Li The Big Bang theory predicts that these light elements should have been fused from protons and neutrons in the first few minutes after the Big Bang. The cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation The early universe should have been very hot. The cosmic microwave background radiation is the remnant heat leftover from the Big Bang. These three measurable signatures strongly support the notion that the universe evolved from a dense, nearly featureless hot gas, just as the Big Bang model predicts.

Source: http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_tests.html

I hope i just misunderstood what was going on in here, otherwise, you guys made a secene out of plain ignorance of common sesne.

Likewise I hope I misunderstood you.