Hi snowber
I didn't know that Muslims were so superstitious and use numerology. "Lucky number", "holy number" are signs of superstition. But I supposed that not uncommon with most religions; lots of religion use numerology, especially with mysticism, where numbers play a large part. I used to be interested in numerology when I was in my late teen, but at this time I was exploring the unknown and searching for religion to fit in.
You do know that numerology is pseudo-mathematics. The use of numerology is hardly what I call real science, much less a mathematical fact. Modern scientists don't consider numerology to be science or mathematics, and they are categorized with divination, astrology and alchemy.
Nevertheless, numerology is interesting. And the 19 is indeed an interesting number.
Hi Gnostic,
Numerology indeed has a bad reputation because so many people have twisted numbers to come up with some meaning. The difference between "evil" numerology and the numerology we see in the Qu'ran is that GOD tells us that the number 19 is an important factor in determining whether or not the Qu'ran is true.
In traditional numerology someone might as for your name, then say your name has a certain value and what it means such as this example where I chose "John" as my name:
Numerology for Play
That kind of numerology is more like reading someone's palm or asking them what their birth sign is and making up a story about it.
In the Qu'ran we see a system that is beyond probability, that is definitely not made up for play, and has a true meaning.
Many people have realized this and people started copying the Qu'ran's mathematical system and tried using it to claim they were a messenger of GOD. One man (his mind slips my mind right now) kept "predicting" earthquakes that never happened using the number 19, but if you compare the two, you'll see that his method is simply "playing with numbers to get his desired result". In the Qu'ran, GOD gave us the number, and GOD gave us the miracle. We don't choose based on our own opinions.
It is GOD's system that the devils interfere, this is what separates those with doubt in their hearts from the true followers.
[22:52] We did not send before you any messenger, nor a prophet, without having the devil interfere in his wishes. GOD then nullifies what the devil has done. GOD perfects His revelations. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.
The proof to this method of "numerology" is, simply, you will find nothing like it. If I say my name has a value of 20 and michael jackson's name has a value of 20, therefore I am related to Michael Jackson, the error is obvious.
Let me give you another piece of information on the Qu'ran's mathematical system. For 1400 years, people did not know why GOD prefixed certain chapters in the Qu'ran with certain initials. For example, some Suras (chapters) in the Qu'ran are prefixed "H.M" or "A.L.M" or "Q" or "T.H." and so forth. I believe there are a total of 29 suras that do this.
Anyway, without a computer, no one could figure out what these were for.
[27:82] At the right time, we will produce for them a creature, made of earthly materials, declaring that the people are not certain about our revelations.
This "creature" is the computer. The computer is made of "earthly materials". Note that 2+7+8+2 = 19 as well.
Without a computer, we wouldn't know what the initials in the Qu'ran were for.
Now we do:
Let's take Sura 50 (Chapter 50) for example, prefixed with "Q"
[50:0] In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
[50:1] Q., and the glorious Quran.
That is the first verse of the Sura "Q. and the Glorious Quran".
Also Sura 42 is intialed "Q" as well.
[42:0] In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.*
[42:1] H. M.*
[42:2] `A. S. Q.*
Now lets look at what's so amazing about this:
The letter "Q" occurs through Chapter 50 a total of 57 times or 19 x 3
"Q" occurs in Chapter 42 a total of 57 times as well or 19 x 3 (note that if you take H.M.A.S.Q and total them in that chapter, they are also divisible by 19, this is true for all initialed Suras)
A strong indication in Sura 50, verse 1 tells us that "Q" stands for "Qu'ran"
Now if you take the only two "Q" initialed Suras 42 and 50 you get a total occurence of 114 or 19 x6. Also, there are a total of 114 chapters in the Qu'ran.
The word "Qu'ran" itself is mentioned in the whole Qu'ran 57 times or 19 x 3. Also the same number of times as Q is mentioned in the two above Suras.
In Sura 50 the Qu'ran is described as "Glorious" or "Majid" in arabic. "Q, and the glorious Qu'ran"
The word Majid has a mathematical value of 57 or 19 x 3. Also 57 is the same number we see as above.
Sura 42 has 53 verses and 42+53 = 19 x5 or 95
Sura 50 has 45 verses and 50+45 = 95 or 19 x 5 as well!
If you go to all Suras in the Qu'ran and look at verse "19" of each Sura and count the occurence of the letter Q, you get 76 total Q's or 19 x 4
Is this really all coincidence? How much evidence is required before something leaves "coincidence" and becomes "proof"? Also note that this is only a "small" portion of the mathematical miracle using one initial.
The challenge has always been on the table for someone to reproduce something as amazing as this mathematical miracle. We are still waiting to find someone who can write such an amazing scripture, mathematically coded, without losing meaning.
And remember, my friend, this was all 1400 years ago! How would someone without a computer have been able to design all this? There are other pieces of evidence you could not compute by hand! It even takes the computer 1000's of lines to read the numbers. How could a human being do it?
I hope this gives you an idea, dear Gnostic. This could never be imitated by people who use numbers for play or false magic.
Peace.
