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Rabbi Reveils Name of the Messiah

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David69

Angel Of The North
Hi I have genuine interests with this topic, your veiws most welcome. I have colourd in parts that are of particular interest to me!
Thanks in advance
David.
israel today > Politics > Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah
Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah
Shortly before he died, one of Israel's most prominent rabbis wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was opened, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.

A few months before he died, one of the nation’s most prominent rabbis, Yitzhak Kaduri, supposedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was unsealed, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.
With the biblical name of Jesus, the Rabbi and kabbalist described the Messiah using six words and hinting that the initial letters form the name of the Messiah. The secret note said:
Concerning the letter abbreviation of the Messiah’s name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid.
This I have signed in the month of mercy,
Yitzhak Kaduri
The Hebrew sentence (translated above in bold) with the hidden name of the Messiah reads: Yarim Ha’Am Veyokhiakh Shedvaro Vetorato Omdim
The initials spell the Hebrew name of Jesus, Yehoshua. Yehoshua and Yeshua are effectively the same name, derived from the same Hebrew root of the word "salvation" as documented in Zechariah 6:11 and Ezra 3:2. The same priest writes in Ezra, "Yeshua son of Yozadak" while writing in Zechariah "Yehoshua son of Yohozadak." The priest adds the holy abbreviation of God’s name, ho, in the father’s name Yozadak and in the name Yeshua.
With one of Israel’s most prominent rabbis indicating the name of the Messiah is Yeshua, it is understandable why his last wish was to wait one year after his death before revealing what he wrote.
When the name of Yehoshua appeared in Kaduri’s message, ultra-Orthodox Jews from his Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva (seminary) in Jerusalem argued that their master did not leave the exact solution for decoding the Messiah’s name.
The revelation received scant coverage in the Israeli media. Only the Hebrew websites News First Class (Nfc) and Kaduri.net mentioned the Messiah note, insisting it was authentic. The Hebrew daily Ma'ariv ran a story on the note but described it as a forgery.
Jewish readers responded on the websites' forums with mixed feelings: "So this means Rabbi Kaduri was a Christian?" and "The Christians are dancing and celebrating," were among the comments.
Israel Today spoke to two of Kaduri’s followers in Jerusalem who admitted that the note was authentic, but confusing for his followers as well. "We have no idea how the Rabbi got to this name of the Messiah," one of them said.
Yet others completely deny any possibility that the note is authentic. Kaduri’s son, Rabbi David Kaduri, said that at the time the note was written (September 2005), his father’s physical condition made it impossible for him to write.

KADURI'S PORTRAYAL OF THE MESSIAH
A few months before Kaduri died at the age of 108, he surprised his followers when he told them that he met the Messiah. Kaduri gave a message in his synagogue on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, teaching how to recognize the Messiah. He also mentioned that the Messiah would appear to Israel after Ariel Sharon’s death. (The former prime minister is still in a coma after suffering a massive stroke more than a year ago.)
Other rabbis predict the same, including Rabbi Haim Cohen, kabbalist Nir Ben Artzi and the wife of Rabbi Haim Kneiveskzy.
Kaduri’s grandson, Rabbi Yosef Kaduri, said his grandfather spoke many times during his last days about the coming of the Messiah and redemption through the Messiah.
His spiritual portrayals of the Messiah—reminiscent of New Testament accounts—were published on the websites Kaduri.net and Nfc:
"It is hard for many good people in society to understand the person of the Messiah. The leadership and order of a Messiah of flesh and blood is hard to accept for many in the nation. As leader, the Messiah will not hold any office, but will be among the people and use the media to communicate. His reign will be pure and without personal or political desire. During his dominion, only righteousness and truth will reign.
"Will all believe in the Messiah right away? No, in the beginning some of us will believe in him and some not. It will be easier for non-religious people to follow the Messiah than for Orthodox people.
"The revelation of the Messiah will be fullled in two stages: First, he will actively confirm his position as Messiah without knowing himself that he is the Messiah. Then he will reveal himself to some Jews, not necessarily to wise Torah scholars. It can be even simple people. Only then he will reveal himself to the whole nation. -The people will wonder and say: ‘What, that’s the Messiah?’ Many have known his name but have not believed that he is the Messiah."

FAREWELL TO A 'TSADIK'
Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri was known for his photographic memory and his memorization of the Bible, the Talmud, Rashi and other Jewish writings. He knew Jewish sages and celebrities of the last century and rabbis who lived in the Holy Land and kept the faith alive before the State of Israel was born.
Kaduri was not only highly esteemed because of his age of 108. He was charismatic and wise, and chief rabbis looked up to him as a Tsadik, a righteous man or saint. He would give advice and blessings to everyone who asked. -Thousands visited him to ask for counsel or healing. His followers speak of many miracles and his students say that he predicted many disasters.
When he died, more than 200,000 people joined the funeral procession on the streets of Jerusalem to pay their respects as he was taken to hisfinal resting place.
"When he comes, the Messiah will rescue Jerusalem from foreign religions that want to rule the city," Kaduri once said. "They will not succeed for they will fight against one another."

THE RABBI'S FOLLOWERS REACT
In an interview with Israel Today, Rabbi David Kaduri, the 80-year-old son of the late Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri, denied that his father left a note with the name Yeshua just before he died.
"It’s not his writing," he said when we showed him a copy of the note.
During a nighttime meeting in the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva in Jerusalem, books with the elder Kaduri’s handwriting from 80 years ago were presented to us in an attempt to prove that the Messiah note was not authentic.
When we told Rabbi Kaduri that his father’s official website (www.kaduri.net) had mentioned the Messiah note, he was shocked. "Oh no! That’s blasphemy. The people could understand that my father pointed to him [the Messiah of the Christians]."
David Kaduri confirmed, however, that in his last year, his father had talked and dreamed almost exclusively about the Messiah and his coming. "My father has met the Messiah in a vision," he said, "and told us that he would come soon."
Israel Today was given access to many of the rabbi's manuscripts, written in his own hand for the exclusive use of his students. Most striking were the cross-like symbols painted by Kaduri all over the pages. In the Jewish tradition, one does not use crosses. In fact, even the use of a plus sign is discouraged because it might be mistaken for a cross.
But there they were, scribbled in the rabbi's own hand. When we asked what those symbols meant, Rabbi David Kaduri said they were "signs of the angel." Pressed further about the meaning of the "signs of the angel," he said he had no idea. Rabbi David Kaduri went on to explain that only his father had had a spiritual relationship with God and had met the Messiah in his dreams.

Orthodox Jews around the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva told Israel Today a few weeks later that the story about the secret note of Rabbi Kaduri should never have come out, and that it had damaged the name the revered old sage.
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Nigal

Formerly NoahideHiker
Well unfortunately he was mistaken. The jesus of the christian religion is an impossibility as the moshiach. The prophecies concerning the moshiach are very detailed and specific. jesus didn't fit the bill, not could he.
 

David69

Angel Of The North
Well unfortunately he was mistaken. The jesus of the christian religion is an impossibility as the moshiach. The prophecies concerning the moshiach are very detailed and specific. jesus didn't fit the bill, not could he.

Did you read it through!!! The Rabbis son says its not jesus, the note maybe a forgery there were many papers left with clues as to who the messiah is...
Dont forget that jesus died? you do know that, yes! BUT... what if the Messiah is of Jesus ie... :"I send forth my Angel, I am the root of David,WE ARE ONE!!!"
You do know that The Messiah is in present times eh?

The prophecies concerning the moshiach are very detailed and specific. jesus didn't fit the bill, not could he

His Angel does though imo!!! Please show me these detailed prophecys?
where not talking about what Jesus did or didnt forfill over 2000 yrs ago!
Cheers
David.
 

Nigal

Formerly NoahideHiker
You do know that The Messiah is in present times eh?

Every generation has it's mashiach here on earth. All they need is the correct conditions.

His Angel does though imo!!!

Well then you speaking of your own religion and not mine (Judaism through B'nai Noach) but I can respect your beliefs. :)

Please show me these detailed prophecys?

Here's a fairly good list I found. Some are about the person but most are about the times he will comes in. We have to keep in mind that in the Jewish scriptures there is very little said about the actual man who will be the mashiach but a great deal about the times and conditions of those times. It is also worth pointing out that nowhere in the Jewish writings does it ever say that the mashiach is to be worshiped, prayed to or even must be followed in order to gain salvation. Enjoy.

Judaism teaches that the messiah will fulfill the following prophecies:
* The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)
* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
* The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)
* He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)
* The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
* Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
* Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
* All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
* Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
* There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
* All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
* The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
* He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
* Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
* The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
* The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
* Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
* The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot
* He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)
* Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)
* He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
* He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)
 

arimoff

Active Member
Instead of showing your discussed, channel your energy towards something positive.

Well it is difficult not to be discussed with this, there are a lot of people that just don't know, and when they come to read something like this they will take it seriously they will take as the truth, as if that old holly man said what he is being quoted.

There is absolutely no way an orthodox Jewish leader who knew the entire Jewish scripture by hart would even think of someone named Jesus and defiantly not in the same context with Moshiach.
 

Just_me_Mike

Well-Known Member
Well it is difficult not to be discussed with this, there are a lot of people that just don't know, and when they come to read something like this they will take it seriously they will take as the truth, as if that old holly man said what he is being quoted.

There is absolutely no way an orthodox Jewish leader who knew the entire Jewish scripture by hart would even think of someone named Jesus and defiantly not in the same context with Moshiach.
I dunno man, it just seems the world would be a much better place if people were doing a lot less "knowing and telling" and rather listening and learning.

Take Judaism, and all the wonderful things it offers humanity. As much as you hold it is the truth to God, you could be wrong. It is at this junction people need to put aside their differences, and figure out how to come together. Not sure if you are interested in that, but attacking another aspect of another religion isn't helping your cause.

Best Wishes...
 

arimoff

Active Member
I dunno man, it just seems the world would be a much better place if people were doing a lot less "knowing and telling" and rather listening and learning.

Take Judaism, and all the wonderful things it offers humanity. As much as you hold it is the truth to God, you could be wrong. It is at this junction people need to put aside their differences, and figure out how to come together. Not sure if you are interested in that, but attacking another aspect of another religion isn't helping your cause.

Best Wishes...

I'm the one who is attacking? Come together with normal people, with people who want the same, but not with people who falsely make claims, I had a merit of meeting Rav Kaduri, a wonderful kind man, He always saw only good in people, I have never seen him angry, mad, hate somebody or anything similar, and after all of that I have to see such non sense?

I could care less what this David69 believes in, or who he thinks is moshiach, Judaism is not after followers, but there is no way I will keep my mouth shut after reading such, there is a big difference between being respectful to a human being and showing respect to someone who lies in the name of a man who dedicated his life to being exactly the opposite of this.

Here we go again, every time a christian makes a claim how bad and wrong Jews are, and it is Jews fault.
 
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Zardoz

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I know the topic is distasteful that's why I've held off commenting. I followed the link and see the source. Worthless. This topic belongs in debate, but it's not in debate it's in a DIR and threads such as this are no stranger to this particular DIR so let's not debate it here, as per DIR rules.
 

David69

Angel Of The North
Well it is difficult not to be discussed with this, there are a lot of people that just don't know, and when they come to read something like this they will take it seriously they will take as the truth, as if that old holly man said what he is being quoted.

There is absolutely no way an orthodox Jewish leader who knew the entire Jewish scripture by hart would even think of someone named Jesus and defiantly not in the same context with Moshiach.

You respect Rav Kaduri Yes? and his son! Look deeper than you allow yourself!
David Kaduri confirmed, however, that in his last year, his father had talked and dreamed almost exclusively about the Messiah and his coming. "My father has met the Messiah in a vision," he said, "and told us that he would come soon."
Israel Today was given access to many of the rabbi's manuscripts, written in his own hand for the exclusive use of his students. Most striking were the cross-like symbols painted by Kaduri all over the pages. In the Jewish tradition, one does not use crosses. In fact, even the use of a plus sign is discouraged because it might be mistaken for a cross.
But there they were, scribbled in the rabbi's own hand. When we asked what those symbols meant, Rabbi David Kaduri said they were "signs of the angel." Pressed further about the meaning of the "signs of the angel," he said he had no idea. Rabbi David Kaduri went on to explain that only his father had had a spiritual relationship with God and had met the Messiah in his dreams.

The crosses has nothing to do with the crucifiction of....
So what are they and why would rabbi Kaduri do them in his own hand?
Why? It means that it is the angel! or do you not want to talk about what Rabbi Kenduri visioned and beleived. Ariel sharon is still hanging on untill the Messiah declares himself to the world. He is in a coma since 2006... the time is nigh my friend.

"I send forth my Angel, I am the root of David, we are one! The eagle landed in 69!
the statue of the Angel was errect infront of Davids birthplace.
Not only the Jews have lessons to learn but also do the whole world!
Do the Jews expect the Messiah to be called David and he will bring the world together as one? spreading out from the holy lands! all united under one faith!
So its like the whole world are adopted by the Jews or something like that!
The people that will beleive in him first are the normal non religious! People like him that understand. Then theres the Holy ones around the world like Rabbi Kaduri That have also had visions and know of the messiah ( of all faiths) The pope will pass the Angel of the North this year. He will be unaware at first, he is just on an asignment and the people that send him will just be doing there work and all the chosen ones wont know that they will be carrying out, the messiahs will. But watch it all come together into place and the whole world will see for themselves the big picture... the truth! jimo ovcourse. The Jew that the Messiah confides in is his Orthodox Jewish doctor. Is he disgusted? Does he think that this person that calles himself The Messiah is off his Rocker? Does he feel like this person is taking the mickey? NO he told this person what he is! and He happily takes this persons information and is intreuged and fascinated and has at first hand experienced the angels "communication!" JIMO

"The revelation of the Messiah will be fullled in two stages: First, he will actively confirm his position as Messiah without knowing himself that he is the Messiah. Then he will reveal himself to some Jews, not necessarily to wise Torah scholars. It can be even simple people. Only then he will reveal himself to the whole nation. -The people will wonder and say: ‘What, that’s the Messiah?’ Many have known his name but have not believed that he is the Messiah."
 

David69

Angel Of The North
I know the topic is distasteful that's why I've held off commenting. I followed the link and see the source. Worthless. This topic belongs in debate, but it's not in debate it's in a DIR and threads such as this are no stranger to this particular DIR so let's not debate it here, as per DIR rules.

Hi, I origionall posted this topic here for opinions of jewish people or for anyone that wants to give there opinion on the subject only.
Theres already a thread to debate this topic here:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/92960-real-messiah.html

This topic starts on post 37:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1883964-post37.html
 
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ruhnafsoul

ruhnafsoul
he is the Messenger of GOD.. the one who convey messages from GOD via his soul and made apparent via his speech.. and who is he..?..
HE is Prophet Jesus known by the Christians as mention in the holy Bible.. Prophet Isa (PBUH) known by the muslims as mention in the holy Quran.. because WE are actually worship the same GOD.. the GOD of the Moses, the God of Jesus, and the GOD of Muhammad.. only that we are in total denial and hardly accept each other for that reason (worshipping of the same GOD)
 
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