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Racist Terrorist kills 9 black worshippers :(

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
There will always be such crimes.
The issue is not that they happen, but with what frequency.
This speaks to the larger picture of racial relations & animosity.

Another wrinkle......
Giuliani’s claim that 93 percent of black murder victims are killed by other blacks - The Washington Post
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From this, one can conclude that white racists are the least of black folk's worries.

Indeed, Revoltingest.
 

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
Well do you think child abuse by paedophiles are isolated events? They tend to be far better connected than your average racist.

Again if you apply the same reasoning to child abuse by paedophiles its actually a far bigger affair than racism in the US as it crosses ethnic divide.


There will always be racists going out killing people. It will never change.

That last statement is regrettably true. Though have you seen anything in the news about a string of child molestations lately?
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Though have you seen anything in the news about a string of child molestations lately?

If its not on the news it ain't happening?

You can be sure that right now a child is being raped, the whole ordeal recorded and later distributed among interested folks. And if no one screws up no one will ever hear about it.
The Internet we aka most people use is about 5 % of the entire Internet. There are entire communities that live in the "dark". Many just enjoying their privacy but others enjoying other stuff.
And you know the child porn is most probably one of the "less harsh" stuff out there.
Next month some kid will probably be forced to kill another kid and perhaps even eat it, while everything is recorded. Why? People come in all sorts of colours.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
If its not on the news it ain't happening?

You can be sure that right now a child is being raped, the whole ordeal recorded and later distributed among interested folks. And if no one screws up no one will ever hear about it.
The Internet we aka most people use is about 5 % of the entire Internet. There are entire communities that live in the "dark". Many just enjoying their privacy but others enjoying other stuff.
And you know the child porn is most probably one of the "less harsh" stuff out there.
Next month some kid will probably be forced to kill another kid and perhaps even eat it, while everything is recorded. Why? People come in all sorts of colours.
Yeah, snuff films exist. We know there's snuff films where animals are the victims of extreme torture and brutality (crush videos) and some have been prosecuted for making them. There have been criminal cases involving snuff films where humans are the victims but to date, none that I know of have been confirmed as surfacing to the public. But all the evidence I've seen is that it's a pervasive and global problem, just very underground. It involves very high-level people with a lot of money so they're able to keep these things in the dark.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

  • Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
  • Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
  • Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.
18 U.S.C. § 2332b defines the term "federal crime of terrorism" as an offense that:

  • Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct; and
  • Is a violation of one of several listed statutes, including § 930(c) (relating to killing or attempted killing during an attack on a federal facility with a dangerous weapon); and § 1114 (relating to killing or attempted killing of officers and employees of the U.S.).

Now, from what I can tell this meets some of domestic terrorisms requirements, but does not fall under the "federal crime of terrorism" since it was not against the gov't in any way, or meant to coerce the gov't into doing anything. It was an act of hatred. A hate crime.

Although I see debating the semantics of the issue moot, when this was really a horrible crime that should not have been committed regardless of what name you call it by.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Yeah, snuff films exist. We know there's snuff films where animals are the victims of extreme torture and brutality (crush videos) and some have been prosecuted for making them. There have been criminal cases involving snuff films where humans are the victims but to date, none that I know of have been confirmed as surfacing to the public. But all the evidence I've seen is that it's a pervasive and global problem, just very underground. It involves very high-level people with a lot of money so they're able to keep these things in the dark.
Define a snuff film. A film where someone is killed or a film of someone dying. Those are two very different things. Lots of the latter, not much at all of the former.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Define a snuff film. A film where someone is killed or a film of someone dying. Those are two very different things. Lots of the latter, not much at all of the former.
I mean a film where someone is killed, usually tortured too and probably raped as well, and the film is sold to a buyer. A murder film for profit.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I mean, given the status of mental health, gun availability, and human desperation in this country, I guess I can't I'm shocked.
I find the difference in coverage interesting.
When a white guy kills black folk, it's horrible racism.
But reverse the races, & "racism" isn't even mentioned in the media.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I find the difference in coverage interesting.
When a white guy kills black folk, it's horrible racism.
But reverse the races, & "racism" isn't even mentioned in the media.

What?
He was mad at his ex coworkers. He believed that they were race bigots. But he was not just shooting random white people because they are white like the OP murderer was.
Oh and he was gay. That makes it different. It is obviously the result of homophobia:)
Tom
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I find the difference in coverage interesting.
When a white guy kills black folk, it's horrible racism.
But reverse the races, & "racism" isn't even mentioned in the media.

Interesting, but the reason isn't really shocking is it? Irregardless of the truth, I imagine no company is going to willingly touch that PR disaster. And an overtly racist white guy, is well... I guess to be expected for the most part.

Reading about the guy, grew up Jehovah witness, always had work difficulties, appears to be interpersonal delusions and an ability to relate to people, and sounds like a pathological liar, and, of course, disgruntled employee syndrome with a tinge of supposedly good intentions.

Undoubtedly, a racist move on the guys behalf. Racism doesn't necessarily kill. It only apparently takes a very lonely male with internet access to any given possible extremist ideology, an incredibly broken mind, and a probably not to great life. Stir and sometimes you get... well, young males killing strangers over basic delusions.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
What?
He was mad at his ex coworkers. He believed that they were race bigots. But he was not just shooting random white people because they are white like the OP murderer was.
Oh and he was gay. That makes it different. It is obviously the result of homophobia:)
Tom
There are always differences.
But the similarities are striking.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339
His grievances are race & gender based (attacked by white women).
He tallks of a race war.
So in both cases, we have a violent racist paranoid loony who over-reacts to what he imagines going on in the world around him.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Interesting, but the reason isn't really shocking is it? Irregardless of the truth, I imagine no company is going to willingly touch that PR disaster. And an overtly racist white guy, is well... I guess to be expected for the most part.

Reading about the guy, grew up Jehovah witness, always had work difficulties, appears to be interpersonal delusions and an ability to relate to people, and sounds like a pathological liar, and, of course, disgruntled employee syndrome with a tinge of supposedly good intentions.

Undoubtedly, a racist move on the guys behalf. Racism doesn't necessarily kill. It only apparently takes a very lonely male with internet access to any given possible extremist ideology, an incredibly broken mind, and a probably not to great life. Stir and sometimes you get... well, young males killing strangers over basic delusions.
Never....ever....use...."irregardless"....again.
That is a direct order (unless you're trying to torment me, in which case it's really effective).
 
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