Racist Terrorist kills 9 black worshippers :(

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

It's worse than that.......
Roof is an avowed atheist.
Some RF members absolutely refuse to recognise that atheists could be violent against religions, churches etc.
I keep telling these denialists 'don't hold your breath'...........

Oh FFS, where did you even get this?! My sources tell me he was a Christian:

South Carolina Lutheran Pastor: Dylann Roof Was Church Member, His Family Prays For Victims

Unless you can clearly show that he was an atheist, I demand a retraction and an apology for this slander.

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

Terrorism is a political strategy
What was the political agenda being promoted by this act of terrorism?

The same agenda as most acts of white-on-black violence have been in America for centuries: Scaring blacks into submission.

 

[Revoltingest]

Unless you can clearly show that he was an atheist, I demand a retraction and an apology for this slander.

Slander is spoken.
You mean libel, which is written.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Well, atheists keep telling me that there is no prescription stapled to their lack of belief, or outright disbelief ion God(s).

There is not. You need to be careful here, in terms of language. All ATHEISTS have beliefs. So an atheist committing violence is completely possible, and I've never seen anyone offer up otherwise. Someone committing violence due to atheism is what we find hard to swallow. Whereas it would be possible to be violently anti-theistic, I suppose.

I picked up that Rook is an avowed atheist from a Brit newspaper in the local cafe, which was why I could not staple anything to my post.

Okay. I'd be careful what you read, or at least, what accusations you make based on what you believe. I don't think religion plays any role in this, near as I can tell, but we'd prefer not have people espousing that this murderer is an atheist for 2 reasons;

1) It doesn't appear to be the case, as near as I can tell, and I've looked.
2) This doesn't appear to be a religiously motivated crime, but instead a racially motivated crime. Hence I have little interest in whether he is a Christian racist scumbag murderer, or an atheist racist scumbag murderer, because the important thing is that he is a racist scumbag murderer.

But I don't think that anybody who murders folks in a church is a believer in the same God, anyway. Unless he wanted to get dished with a slice of hellfire, etc.

Easy, tiger. You can't peg him as an atheist, then pull out the 'well, he's not a true Christian'. As stated, I don't care if he's an atheist or a Christian because I don't find it pertinent to this based on the evidence I have seen. But whatever version of God he believes in, that makes him a theist. Not an atheist.
Sometimes we all pull the wrong rein, and it's actually easier to say 'Yeah, I read he was an atheist, but maybe he's not. I could be wrong. Sorry.'

Or you can stand by your initial call. Some do that.
Suffice to say, you are right now posting about how atheism can be related to violence in a thread where a racist scumbag killed 9 Christians. Makes me a little twitchy. *shrugs*

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Slander is spoken.
You mean libel, which is written.

*chuckles*
You always make me laugh with this crap, ya grammar nazi. And yeah, I realise this wasn't a grammar issue. I also spelled 'realise' the proper way.
Mwahahahaha!

 

[oldbadger]

Oh FFS, where did you even get this?! My sources tell me he was a Christian:
South Carolina Lutheran Pastor: Dylann Roof Was Church Member, His Family Prays For Victims

No they don't.........
They tell you he went to church when he was a kid.
Read your article......

 

[Revoltingest]

No they don't.........
They tell you he went to church when he was a kid.
Read your article......

According to the linked article we have a guy who was a member of a church, argues about Bible scripture, & is a fan of the KKK (also Xian).
This points towards his being an Xian.
You've presented no evidence that he's an atheist (other than the no true Scotsman argument).
I blame him for what he did...not his religion (whatever it is).
But why try to make him out to be an atheist?
Are we seen as that evil or threatening?

 

[oldbadger]

Easy, tiger.

I liked that! I even felt slightly vigorous as I read it....

You can't peg him as an atheist, then pull out the 'well, he's not a true Christian'. As stated, I don't care if he's an atheist or a Christian because I don't find it pertinent to this based on the evidence I have seen. But whatever version of God he believes in, that makes him a theist. Not an atheist.
Sometimes we all pull the wrong rein, and it's actually easier to say 'Yeah, I read he was an atheist, but maybe he's not. I could be wrong. Sorry.'

Fair enough......... I could be wrong.
*sniff*

Let's see how this pans out. The authorities are determined not to use definitions.... even 'terrorist', although he had motivations based upon political agendas from old Rhodesia, old South Africa and the Confederacy, etc.
My 'word' has changed over the last two days. You know, a single word which encompasses the whole dreadful mass-murder, mess, hatred, craziness, contention and conflict of this horrifying incident.

.......'AGAIN'........

 

[psychoslice]

Exactly.
Teaching people to believe in things that there is no real evidence for is religious. It is also mental illness.
Tom

Now that is an insult to those who have mental illness.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I liked that! I even felt slightly vigorous as I read it....

Excellent! I'm like verbal viagra....lol

Let's see how this pans out. The authorities are determined not to use definitions.... even 'terrorist', although he had motivations based upon political agendas from old Rhodesia, old South Africa and the Confederacy, etc.
My 'word' has changed over the last two days. You know, a single word which encompasses the whole dreadful mass-murder, mess, hatred, craziness, contention and conflict of this horrifying incident.

.......'AGAIN'........

He seems like a terrorist to me, but it's one of those 'Hard to define' words I guess. Still, he seems to have done this based on radical ideology, and that's pretty much enough for me.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Well he hated Religions and Blacks. So he was inspired by Atheist Terrorism and Racism.

How do you know? It's not stated anywhere that he hated religions. You're just making things up as you go along - you're just projecting your own narrow definition of what constitutes an atheist onto Roof for your own ends.

You're no better than those privileged white middle class prats who are trying to force their own political agendas onto the issue in a cynical attempt to use these peoples' deaths for their own gain.

 

[oldbadger]

According to the linked article we have a guy who was a member of a church, argues about Bible scripture, & is a fan of the KKK (also Xian).
This points towards his being an Xian.
You've presented no evidence that he's an atheist (other than the no true Scotsman argument).
I blame him for what he did...not his religion (whatever it is).
But why try to make him out to be an atheist?
Are we seen as that evil or threatening?

OK.......... I read an article in a brit paper which made that claim, and it could be wrong. But to give you an idea of how the atheist word has been used in connection with him, here's the same debate being continued on a (random) couple of sites.
I'm not suggesting that atheists roast babies (they use microwaves and pressure cookers, probably) but the 'theists are more likely to be bonkers, theists are more likely to wage war, theists are ..... etc' arguments are seeming to leave 'humanity' as the culprit behind.
This terrorist did have a Christian youth, but he sure hasn't had a Christian adulthood. Let's see how it pans out..... he may well declare for Christianity if and when he rolls up on death-row.
....here's one of those articles......

Some media are claiming that Dylann Roof is an avowed ...
Some media are claiming that Dylann Roof is an avowed atheist, is this true? | Yahoo Answers
Open · Published 19/06/2015
Some media are claiming that Dylann Roof is an avowed atheist, is this true?

 

[Revoltingest]

OK.......... I read an article in a brit paper which made that claim, and it could be wrong. But to give you an idea of how the atheist word has been used in connection with him, here's the same debate being continued on a (random) couple of sites.
I'm not suggesting that atheists roast babies (they use microwaves and pressure cookers, probably) but the 'theists are more likely to be bonkers, theists are more likely to wage war, theists are ..... etc' arguments are seeming to leave 'humanity' as the culprit behind.
This terrorist did have a Christian youth, but he sure hasn't had a Christian adulthood. Let's see how it pans out..... he may well declare for Christianity if and when he rolls up on death-row.
....here's one of those articles......

Some atheists would roast babies IMO.....I'm thinking of the Killing Fields in Cambodia.
(#1 daughter was just there. They showed her a tree where babies were smashed against them.)
But I just don't see any evidence (even after reading your link) that Roof is one.
It's very likely he's an Xian.
But he is one who does not practice it in its entirety.
Let's say he's not an evil Xian, but an evil person, & that Xianity is not a defining characteristic.
So I'd call him a "terrorist" or "mass murderer" without any other adjectives.

 

[The Hammer]

An att

Correct.

I wouldn't call street crime terrorism. But I'll call this terrorism.

Its an attack made from a political ideology.

An attack made from a political ideology does not necessarily constitute a terrorist act. An act made with the deliberate intent of changing a gov'ts opinion is a terrorist act.

 

[Revoltingest]

An att


An attack made from a political ideology does not necessarily constitute a terrorist act. An act made with the deliberate intent of changing a gov'ts opinion is a terrorist act.

I'd add that an intent to instill fear in a group of people is also terrorism.
This case seems to rise to that definition.

 

[dust1n]

Ahhh good. A racist c**t. Fingers crossed there's a free cell between some burly black inmates. Let them take care of it.

As much as the guy blows, I do find it problematic the general lack of security in prisons.

 

[The Hammer]

I'd add that an intent to instill fear in a group of people is also terrorism.
This case seems to rise to that definition.

You have to work both angles to be "terrorism".

 

[Revoltingest]

You have to work both angles to be "terrorism".

I don't think so.
Each is sufficient.

 

[JacobEzra.]

An att


An attack made from a political ideology does not necessarily constitute a terrorist act. An act made with the deliberate intent of changing a gov'ts opinion is a terrorist act.

Thats a very shallow and simple definition of terrorism.

I still say white nationalist shootinf up a black church, terrorism. As much an act of terrorism on the Black American community as the church bombings during the civil rights era.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Wow

We are witnessing more atheist inspired terrorism.
Iam afraid that Atheist Terrorism will provoke world war 3.

I missed this on the way through.
I am hoping you are at least being honest with yourself about the level of bull**** contained in this post. Alternatively, perhaps you really are just completely, 100% ignorant of atheists.

(Don't bother reporting me, anyone, I'll do it myself)