Radical Left wing activist teacher fired in Utah school for blasting students with her views.

[blü 2]

This is why activism needs to stay out of schools. It's a place for learning, not indoctrination.

Dang right.

She should have taught them how to think critically.

Then they'd have figured out those things about vaccination and Trump for themselves.

 

[Kooky]

"Advocating vaccination", the most radical of leftist views, according to the people of Utah!

Apparently, for certain people, espousing scientifically grounded positions is a form of leftist political activity.

 

[Kooky]

She urges students, too, to turn off Fox News and think for themselves. She says they don’t have to listen to their parents, including about the vaccine if they want to get it.

clutches pearls

 

[Left Coast]

Everything from Covid, to Trump, to climate change, to LGBT issues.

Utah teacher no longer employed after advocating vaccination and telling students she hates Trump


This is why activism needs to stay out of schools. It's a place for learning, not indoctrination.

Man all this political correctness has really run amok.

What happened to freedom of speech, eh?

 

[Valjean]

Teachers with emotional and activist mindsets fostering antagonistic learning environments have no place teaching in a school as it discourages the joy of learning and fosters hostility.

Teachers should be emotionless? Me, I preferred enthusiastic teachers.
Activist? Where's the evidence of this? Does opinionated = activist?
Antagonistic learning environments? Who was an antagonist? Who was antagonized -- and why?
Enthusiastic, opinionated teachers challenge students, and foster critical thinking, enthusiasm and maybe even political awareness.
Shouldn't education challenge students? Shouldn't it make them question things?

 

[Valjean]

Dang right.

She should have taught them how to think critically.

Then they'd have figured out those things about vaccination and Trump for themselves.

Perhaps it's the place to learn to question indoctrination.

 

[F1fan]

Everything from Covid, to Trump, to climate change, to LGBT issues.

Utah teacher no longer employed after advocating vaccination and telling students she hates Trump


This is why activism needs to stay out of schools. It's a place for learning, not indoctrination.

She crossed a line for the most part. However she wasn't wrong about what she said.

 

[F1fan]

Teachers should be emotionless? Me, I preferred enthusiastic teachers.
Activist? Where's the evidence of this? Does opinionated = activist?
Antagonistic learning environments? Who was an antagonist? Who was antagonized -- and why?
Enthusiastic, opinionated teachers challenge students, and foster critical thinking, enthusiasm and maybe even political awareness.
Shouldn't education challenge students? Shouldn't it make them question things?

Given what teachers are having to deal with in red states with governors who are immoral and unethical in how they are ignoring the danger of Covid I'm surprised more of this isn't happening. I suspect this might just be starting. Most Republicans are completely inept and following the trump model.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

You know it's sad teachers can't be as creative and strategic as they used to be.

For example, she could just have used Covid and the vaccine as a teaching tool, explaining how things like viruses work and the chemistry used in the development of vaccines showing how it all works on a molecular and chemical level.

Two birds in one stone, and the engagement of students to boot.

Teachers with emotional and activist mindsets fostering antagonistic learning environments have no place teaching in a school as it discourages the joy of learning and fosters hostility.

One of the many reasons I left teaching was that it was becoming much more standardized and controlled. On some levels, I get that (I saw plenty of 'bad' teachers, and my overall opinion of teachers is mixed). But it also took some of the creativity away. Freelancing off to use current events as a teaching tool was still possible, etc...but you're almost running a risk these days in doing so.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Teachers should be emotionless? Me, I preferred enthusiastic teachers.
Activist? Where's the evidence of this? Does opinionated = activist?
Antagonistic learning environments? Who was an antagonist? Who was antagonized -- and why?
Enthusiastic, opinionated teachers challenge students, and foster critical thinking, enthusiasm and maybe even political awareness.
Shouldn't education challenge students? Shouldn't it make them question things?

Teachers should be positive, though. And they shouldn't belittle students, ever.
The things you're framing above are all vitally important, but are also important to do via inclusive, and positive messaging.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Dang right.

She should have taught them how to think critically.

Then they'd have figured out those things about vaccination and Trump for themselves.

Nice! I like this post.

 

[Father Heathen]

Whilst highly unprofessional, this is considered “radical left wing” in America?
Geez. I know really right wing folks who would agree with her. Granted I’m not American, but even your supposed left wing seems rather mildly centrist to me

You see, here in the U.S., conservatives call anything they don't like or understand "radical left", "socialism", etc.

 

[Aštra’el]

I remember when I took AP chem in high school, I had a great teacher and she had the greatest passion for science and that is the only thing that was ever discussed in that classroom... not peoples’ obsessively irrational fear of an orange boogeyman or how oppressed it makes people feel to have to perform the now racially controversial act of homework.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I remember when I took AP chem in high school, I had a great teacher and she had the greatest passion for science and that is the only thing that was ever discussed in that classroom... not peoples’ obsessively irrational fear of an orange boogeyman or how oppressed it makes people feel to have to perform the now racially controversial act of homework.

Anecdotal stories are just that, though.
One of the best teachers I had, and one who partially served as an inspiration for me to get into teaching in the first place, stepped well outside his normal maths/science/IT brief, and would introduce philosophical concepts to us. He'd mix in questions about how large the universe was in amongst testing us on times tables and square roots. (was a senior primary school teacher)
Depending on how conservative the audience was, some of the challenges he was throwing at us were outside the brief of his teaching, and could be challenging what parents were teaching. But that's part of the raison d'etre for some of the best teachers I've met, whether that is their professional position or not.

Likewise, I had a fantastic language teacher, and she was very much the opposite. The reason she was so good for me wasn't because she was trying to 'expand my mind' in any holistic sense. It was because she set high expectations, demanded my best, was supportive, and pushed me to a position of focus.

Both were super teachers.

 

[oldbadger]

Everything from Covid, to Trump, to climate change, to LGBT issues.

This is why activism needs to stay out of schools. It's a place for learning, not indoctrination.

Oh dear....... I remember Fatty Haig's rants about women (in the History classes).

He used to get very excited, ranting stuff like:-
The retire earlier than us, yet they live longer!
They get first seats on the bus, get doors opened for them!.........
........and this would go on until his shouting reduced to muffled mumblings. We would sit still, straight faced, absolutely quiet. He had a broken hockey stick for any person that caught his attention in a bad way.
And to think that my poor dear father paid a fortune, every term, for this junk......... hmmmm.....served him right!

 

[oldbadger]

Anecdotal stories are just that, though.
One of the best teachers I had, and one who partially served as an inspiration for me to get into teaching in the first place, stepped well outside his normal maths/science/IT brief, and would introduce philosophical concepts to us. He'd mix in questions about how large the universe was in amongst testing us on times tables and square roots. (was a senior primary school teacher)
Depending on how conservative the audience was, some of the challenges he was throwing at us were outside the brief of his teaching, and could be challenging what parents were teaching. But that's part of the raison d'etre for some of the best teachers I've met, whether that is their professional position or not.

Likewise, I had a fantastic language teacher, and she was very much the opposite. The reason she was so good for me wasn't because she was trying to 'expand my mind' in any holistic sense. It was because she set high expectations, demanded my best, was supportive, and pushed me to a position of focus.

Both were super teachers.

Oh........ that was education?
In Prep school, Mr Williams (bloody maths), drunk as a lord, his fingers stained yellow with nicotine, tatty old clothes, would check our work and then discover that my wrong answer was the same as McDonald's wrong answer. Ha! Detection of cheating! He always blamed McDonald and would grasp clumps of McD's hair so that he could shake his head over his work as he interrogated him, sometimes shaking McD so violently that great clumps of McD's hair came out.

I liked Miss W's 'scripture' classes best. She had this figure..... (Ah....the shame is still there).

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Oh........ that was education?
In Prep school, Mr Williams (bloody maths), drunk as a lord, his fingers stained yellow with nicotine, tatty old clothes, would check our work and then discover that my wrong answer was the same as McDonald's wrong answer. Ha! Detection of cheating! He always blamed McDonald and would grasp clumps of McD's hair so that he could shake his head over his work as he interrogated him, sometimes shaking McD so violently that great clumps of McD's hair came out.

Heh...yeah, but I was actually trying to build resilience in my class WITHOUT breaking them.

I liked Miss W's 'scripture' classes best. She had this figure..... (Ah....the shame is still there).

My goodness. My year 10 PE teacher. Wowwee.

 

[Meow Mix]

Everything from Covid, to Trump, to climate change, to LGBT issues.

Utah teacher no longer employed after advocating vaccination and telling students she hates Trump


This is why activism needs to stay out of schools. It's a place for learning, not indoctrination.

Yeah, she went pretty far over the line.

 

[oldbadger]

Heh...yeah, but I was actually trying to build resilience in my class WITHOUT breaking them.

What!!!?? Shocking!
Mr Manthorpe had never heard of A.D.D. He hated pupils who did not attend to him.
N.Q.Denys certainly was so afflicted.
Manthorpe would send his classroom favourite (Baldry) to get his cane.
He would then thrust Denys between his legs, bottom outwards, and thrash him countless times.
Denys just could not hold attention, even tho' he was obviously terrified over the consequences.

You just weren't doing it right.

My goodness. My year 10 PE teacher. Wowwee.

Oh God! No!
A P.E. teacher? I could not have coped.
At least Miss W only moved a bit, now and then.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

This is why activism needs to stay out of schools. It's a place for learning, not indoctrination.

Hear hear, which is why there should be no inclusion of religion unless it's purely academic study of myth and culture, Social Studies should present all history - raw and factual - not just the whitewashed bull**** that we get, and the Pledge of Allegiance should be completely done away with in all classrooms.