Raging hypocrisy if the Left

[Dan From Smithville]

Trump's first impeachment was for allegedly threatening to withhold funds from the Ukraine (Both he and the other guy deny this), but that was the crime for the impeachment. In the clip Biden brags about threatening to without money from the Ukraine (when he was VP) to get a prosecutor fired who was investigating the firm Biden's son was working for (with no known experience in the field or knowing the language yet he's a member of the board of directors).

I thought his first impeachment was due to the fact that he enlisted foreign interference into the 2020 election, abused his authority and then tried to cover it up and coerce others to cover it up.

Are you saying that a person's crimes should be overlooked because you think others committed crimes? That doesn't make much of a basis for a justice system.

 

[Yerda]

Trump's first impeachment was for allegedly threatening to withhold funds from the Ukraine (Both he and the other guy deny this), but that was the crime for the impeachment. In the clip Biden brags about threatening to without money from the Ukraine (when he was VP) to get a prosecutor fired who was investigating the firm Biden's son was working for (with no known experience in the field or knowing the language yet he's a member of the board of directors).

I looked over the wiki Viktor Shokin - Wikipedia.

This sentence stood out,

The investigation into Burisma only pertained to events happening before[53] Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, joined the board of directors of Burisma Holdings in 2014.

Seems relevant, aye?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So is there a more clear example of raging double standards and denial of fact on the left?

Yes, but I don't feel like contributing towards your case.

 

[fantome profane]

Biden’s son is paid to sit on a board of a company doing a lot of unethical things. Hunter does not speak the language nor have any experience in the field.
Please tell me how Biden acted to help anyone outside of his own family.

I am not talking about Hunter Biden. I will agree that what Hunter did was unethical.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, but I think we need the same standards. Several on this site have denied this event along with many others. Ignorance does not help.

When there are different standards of behavior for different political groups we cannot have a healthy society.

Consistency is a good thing.
But bad for tribal unity, eh.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Another IRONY thread where conservatives make it clear they expect liberals to be more ethical and moral than conservatives. It strikes me as if conservatives are by nature corrupt and unethical, and only liberals can be held to a high standard.

That's an interesting thought.

Since most of us are probably somewhere in between, perhaps it is the extremes that mutually consider their opposites should be held to a higher standard while they remain outside of such consideration.

I certainly think that a leader should not be pandering to conspiracy theories that he knows are prevalent in a large portion of his base or trying to provoke them into an attack on this country. That parallels history too much for my taste.

 

[Truth in love]

I don't understand. What are you saying?

I'm not sure how Democrats selecting a Democrat is evidence of anything other than they chose a member of their party who wanted to run for President. Republicans do the same thing. Seems like a single standard applied by both sides according to the respective perspective.

The action that was so bad Trumpb had to be removed from office was no biggy for Biden. That’s a raging double standard.

 

[Truth in love]

I thought his first impeachment was due to the fact that he enlisted foreign interference into the 2020 election, abused his authority and then tried to cover it up and coerce others to cover it up.

Are you saying that a person's crimes should be overlooked because you think others committed crimes? That doesn't make much of a basis for a justice system.

The alleged crime was extortion of Ukraine.

I agree no one persons crime should be an excuse for others. Yet what we see often is that many only want one group held accountable and will give a free pass to anyone in their party.

 

[Truth in love]

I looked over the wiki Viktor Shokin - Wikipedia.

This sentence stood out,

The investigation into Burisma only pertained to events happening before[53] Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, joined the board of directors of Burisma Holdings in 2014.

Seems relevant, aye?

So why does a sitting VP threaten to without a billion or so bucks from a a nation over a an internal investigation????

 

[Truth in love]

I am not talking about Hunter Biden. I will agree that what Hunter did was unethical.

To what were you referring?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

The alleged crime was extortion of Ukraine.

I agree no one persons crime should be an excuse for others. Yet what we see often is that many only want one group held accountable and will give a free pass to anyone in their party.

The charges were abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. The allegation was that he solicited Ukrainian authorities to obstruct a US election as the means to carry out his crimes.

I see a lot of whataboutism in regard to this, but mostly that is to deflect attention away from actual instances by members of the groups making the whataboutisms.

Any specific instances you can site where one group is held to a different standard than another?

 

[fantome profane]

To what were you referring?

Post #14. You seemed to imply that Hunter Biden took advantage of his familial relationship to get a cushy job that he was in no way qualified for.

If that is what you were implying, I agree.

It is not actually I crime as far as I can tell. Maybe it should be, but I am not sure. I think it would be very difficult to write a law that would cover something like this that would not also infringe on the freedom of someone who just happens to have a relative in government.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I’m fine, a little tired of the blatant hypocrisy being peddled as moral, logical etc.

True. MAGA hate and deceit is increasingly difficult to stomach.

 

[Truth in love]

The charges were abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. The allegation was that he solicited Ukrainian authorities to obstruct a US election as the means to carry out his crimes.

I see a lot of whataboutism in regard to this, but mostly that is to deflect attention away from actual instances by members of the groups making the whataboutisms.

Any specific instances you can site where one group is held to a different standard than another?

Me too goes after Niel Gorsuch Like it’s the end of the world and is happy with Biden.

Trent Lott gets tossed to the wolves for a random birthday comment Thurmond (that things would have been better with him as president and he had run on segregation). At the same time Robert Byrd a high ranking clansmen who filibustered the civil rights act stays in the senate. Biden speaks highly of Byrd and again it’s all good.

claiming election fraud was all good when Hilary did it. Trump does it and it’s bad.

Gen David Petraeus loses his career for 1 violation of a law. Hillary does it 10,000 times and she gets nominated to run for president.


I can dig up more, but I think the pattern is clear. The connected on the left have a different standard applied to their bad behavior than others.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Me too goes after Niel Gorsuch Like it’s the end of the world and is happy with Biden.

Trent Lott gets tossed to the wolves for a random birthday comment Thurmond (that things would have been better with him as president and he had run on segregation). At the same time Robert Byrd a high ranking clansmen who filibustered the civil rights act stays in the senate. Biden speaks highly of Byrd and again it’s all good.

claiming election fraud was all good when Hilary did it. Trump does it and it’s bad.

Gen David Petraeus loses his career for 1 violation of a law. Hillary does it 10,000 times and she gets nominated to run for president.


I can dig up more, but I think the pattern is clear. The connected on the left have a different standard applied to their bad behavior than others.

Unless I am mistaken, none of those examples are examples of crimes like the abuse of power and soliciting foreign powers against the government.

There is no evidence of widespread, prolific and pervasive fraud as claimed by some in the last presidential election.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Me too goes after Niel Gorsuch Like it’s the end of the world and is happy with Biden.

Trent Lott gets tossed to the wolves for a random birthday comment Thurmond (that things would have been better with him as president and he had run on segregation). At the same time Robert Byrd a high ranking clansmen who filibustered the civil rights act stays in the senate. Biden speaks highly of Byrd and again it’s all good.

claiming election fraud was all good when Hilary did it. Trump does it and it’s bad.

Gen David Petraeus loses his career for 1 violation of a law. Hillary does it 10,000 times and she gets nominated to run for president.


I can dig up more, but I think the pattern is clear. The connected on the left have a different standard applied to their bad behavior than others.

I'm kind of curious. Are you claiming that the people associated with the me too movement committed widespread sexual assault and went unpunished for it while demanding that Gorsuch be punished? What are you saying with that example?

 

[tytlyf]

The OP doesn't even make sense.

They never do. Fox and fRight-Wing media intentionally leave out context.
Republicans have learned it's easy to manipulate their voting base with panic mongering language and fear.
They're emotional voters.

 

[Truth in love]

Unless I am mistaken, none of those examples are examples of crimes like the abuse of power and soliciting foreign powers against the government.

There is no evidence of widespread, prolific and pervasive fraud as claimed by some in the last presidential election.

you asked for examples of the double standard. How is 10,000 crimes not a crime?

There is evidence of fraud. It’s not liked by many but it’s there.

 

[Truth in love]

I'm kind of curious. Are you claiming that the people associated with the me too movement committed widespread sexual assault and went unpunished for it while demanding that Gorsuch be punished? What are you saying with that example?

Me too went full tent on Gorsuch and then McGowen set her sites on Biden and found herself very alone as the movement was unwilling to take him on.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

you asked for examples of the double standard. How is 10,000 crimes not a crime?

There is evidence of fraud. It’s not liked by many but it’s there.

You were referring to crimes, so it is not out of order for me to expect examples of crimes. I have no idea what you are talking about regarding 10,000 crimes.

There is no evidence of fraud on any scale that would have resulted in an outcome different than the one that we have. I cannot dislike what is not there. Believing it is there is not evidence.