Raised

[Jimmy]

I think all the people that posted here have missed the point of Jesus’ physical resurrection. Oh well. People will see things the way they see things. No biggy.

 

[Trailblazer]

I think all the people that posted here have missed the point of Jesus’ physical resurrection.

Then can you tell us the point?

 

[Jimmy]

Then can you tell us the point?

It’s not my place. Also it wouldn’t change your mind. It’s all good.

 

[Ella S.]

I think that if it could have been proven to have happened then there would be excellent and logical grounds for believing the other things

Although yes, it could be that he rose from the dead and that what before happened is merely legend

But I'd think that if God wanted to raise him then he'd probably make sure humankind were to acquire an accurate record of what had happened before or else what would have been the point????


It's only impossible if the nature of the relationships within The Trinity are taken as being transitive

I'd say that within The Trinity the relationships at work are intransitive

Relationships can be intransitive, as opposed to transitive, consider the following relationships:

Premise 1: I love my wife
Premise 2: My wife loves the postman
Conclusion: I therefore love the postman

I think that the same kind of thing is at work regarding The Trinity

That's not Trinitarianism, then, that's tritheism, which is a heresy. Trinitarianism is defined in a transitive way.

 

[Trailblazer]

It’s not my place. Also it wouldn’t change your mind. It’s all good.

I had closed my laptop because I have to go out and then I suddenly realized what the point of Jesus' resurrection from the dead is supposed to be.
The reason the resurrection is so vital to Christian beliefs is because they believe that it means that they will also be able to rise from their graves.
In other words, Christians believe that Jesus conquered physical death by rising from the dead.

This is why the belief in the bodily resurrection bothers me so much. I am sorry if this offends anyone but there is nothing more absurd than the belief that physical bodies will come out from their graves on Judgment Day. Even if it was possible that Jesus rose and that was some kind of a miracle, that in no way means that anyone else is going to rise from their grave after being buried. Even if they were cremated Christians still believe they will come back to physical life. This is a Christian doctrine that came about by misinterpreting verses and it is not supported by the Bible.

1 Corinthians 15 New Living Translation

40 There are also bodies in the heavens and bodies on the earth. The glory of the heavenly bodies is different from the glory of the earthly bodies.

44 They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

50 What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.

51 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am sorry if this offends anyone but there is nothing more absurd than the belief that physical bodies will come out from their graves on Judgment Day.

Are you limiting God, Who created an entire universe and all that exists out of nothing? That sounds absurd to many, as well. He can do anything He wants. The Eschaton is clearly a cosmic event by how it is described at the end of Revelation. It is saying that God is going to join Heaven and earth and bring them both to completion (perfection). Death and even hell will be totally destroyed. This is something that we cannot really envision what it will look like because it's just too big. So we have symbolism, along with art. Revelation is a mystical vision from the Lord expressed through symbols.

 

[Jimmy]

I had closed my laptop because I have to go out and then I suddenly realized what the point of Jesus' resurrection from the dead is supposed to be.
The reason the resurrection is so vital to Christian beliefs is because they believe that it means that they will also be able to rise from their graves.
In other words, Christians believe that Jesus conquered physical death by rising from the dead.

This is why the belief in the bodily resurrection bothers me so much. I am sorry if this offends anyone but there is nothing more absurd than the belief that physical bodies will come out from their graves on Judgment Day. Even if it was possible that Jesus rose and that was some kind of a miracle, that in no way means that anyone else is going to rise from their grave after being buried. Even if they were cremated Christians still believe they will come back to physical life. This is a Christian doctrine that came about by misinterpreting verses and it is not supported by the Bible.

1 Corinthians 15 New Living Translation

40 There are also bodies in the heavens and bodies on the earth. The glory of the heavenly bodies is different from the glory of the earthly bodies.

44 They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

50 What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.

51 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!

Bingo! We all rise. Yes the ‘transformation’ comes when all of existence ends then appears again in its new state. The doctrine isn’t misinterpreted. The Bible supports physical resurrection. All those verses you quoted can be read many ways- semantics

 

[Trailblazer]

The Bible supports physical resurrection.

No, the Bible does not support a physical resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:44 They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

The transformation is from a physical body to a spiritual body because a physical body cannot exist in the Kingdom of God in heaven, which will last forever.

50 What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.
51 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!

 

[Viker]

Does nothing for me. I don't believe it happened, a physical resurrection, that is.

 

[Dawnofhope]

What does jesus' physical resurrection mean to you?

It is a theological narrative central to Christianity.

 

[Mock Turtle]

What does jesus' physical resurrection mean to you?

To me such just looks like religious mythology, along with so many other similar things (angels, demons, etc.), and so as to enable and/or keep believers. Who knows as to the origins of this but I'm not that interested in doing the research, given all such in so many other religious belief systems would necessarily have to be pursued if I had any claim to being honest. Too many other things in life to keep one occupied.

 

[Eddi]

That's not Trinitarianism, then, that's tritheism, which is a heresy. Trinitarianism is defined in a transitive way.

I think you are mistaken

This is what I believe:


A picture can speak a thousand words...

I see three distinct and co-equal persons in one being, and one being in three distinct and co-equal persons

I therefore believe in the unity of the Trinity and in monotheism, tritheists deny these so I cannot be a tritheist

They believe in three separate God beings, as their name implies

 

[Ella S.]

I think you are mistaken

This is what I believe:

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A picture can speak a thousand words...

I see three distinct and co-equal persons in one being, and one being in three distinct and co-equal persons

I therefore believe in the unity of the Trinity and in monotheism, tritheists deny these so I cannot be a tritheist

They believe in three separate God beings, as their name implies

Ah, I see, so you're a Partialist, a related but slightly different heresy. That's still not Trinitarianism. For it to be Trinitarianism, it has to violate the law of identity, because that's the mystery of the Trinity.

The picture you have here is correct for Trinitarianism, but your description is not.

 

[soulsurvivor]

What does jesus' physical resurrection mean to you?

I doubt if the resurrection was entirely physical because the physical body had been badly beaten and mutilated. But since there were several witnesses, I am sure it occurred in some way that it appeared to be physical. So Jesus probably appeared in some other body that looked just like his original body but probably was an apparition.

 

[Eddi]

The picture you have here is correct for Trinitarianism, but your description is not.

I think that it is

In the pic all the beings are God

But they aren't each other

So they have distinct identities (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) whilst all being of one being (God)

One in three, three in one

What I said is the same as what's going on in the picture

I said:

I see three distinct and co-equal persons in one being, and one being in three distinct and co-equal persons

The whole picture is of God and there is only one God, but when you look at it, it is fundamentally triune in nature

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I think that it is

In the pic all the beings are God

But they aren't each other

So they have distinct identities (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) whilst all being of one being (God)

One in three, three in one

What I said is the same as what's going on in the picture

I said:

I see three distinct and co-equal persons in one being, and one being in three distinct and co-equal persons

The whole picture is of God and there is only one God, but when you look at it, it is fundamentally triune in nature

That is the mystery. In human understanding one can't be 3 and 3 can't be one.

 

[Truthseeker]

Even if they were cremated Christians still believe they will come back to physical life.

Sara's parents were cremated, but that didn't seem to make any difference for them.

 

[Apostle John]

What does jesus' physical resurrection mean to you?

It is proof of resurrection in general and proof of the Gospel. It is interesting sects like the Pharisees believed in resurrection before it was proved by the Lord Jesus and that Muslims believe they will one day be resurrected but to date only the Lord Jesus has proved it is possible.

 

[paarsurrey]

" Raised "

What does Jesus' physical resurrection mean to you?

paarsurrey: Physical resurrection or Ascension of Jesus- the truthful Israelite Messiah, never took place, isn't it a misconception of the Christians people who have been mislead by the Hellenist Paul, please?

That is the "mystery". In human understanding one can't be 3 and 3 can't be one.

Isn't this "mystery" a fabrication of the Hellenist-Pauline-Church to deviate the simple followers of Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah, from his teachings and his deeds, please, right??
The word trinity , and or the weird notion " ONE IN THREE AND THREE IN ONE"
, is not mentioned even once in the Bible by Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah, is it mentioned, please?
Right?

Regards
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43 Bible Verses about Mystery
Source: 43 Bible verses about Mystery

 

[paarsurrey]

" Raised "

What does Jesus' physical resurrection mean to you?

paarsurrey: Physical resurrection or Ascension of Jesus- the truthful Israelite Messiah, never took place, isn't it a misconception of the Christians people who have been mislead by the Hellenist Paul, please?

That is the "mystery". In human understanding one can't be 3 and 3 can't be one.

Isn't this "mystery" a fabrication of the Hellenist-Pauline-Church to deviate the simple followers of Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah, from his teachings and his deeds, please, right??
The word trinity , and or the weird notion " ONE IN THREE AND THREE IN ONE"
, is not mentioned even once in the Bible by Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah, is it mentioned, please?
Right?
Moon said:
What does jesus' physical resurrection mean to you?

I doubt if the resurrection was entirely physical because the physical body had been badly beaten and mutilated. But since there were several witnesses, I am sure it occurred in some way that it appeared to be physical. So Jesus probably appeared in some other body that looked just like his original body but probably was an apparition.

" But since there were several witnesses, "
Jesus did not die on the Cross in the first place, so there was no and could not be any eye-witness of the event, please, right?

Regards