Rape or Religion?

[lewisnotmiller]

So we're in a kind of contentious agreement, really?

About his statement being crap? I'd say we're in complete agreement.

But 'No'! (I've had a difficult morning! )

When somebody states that they choose 'rape' over a whole mass of varying faiths and beliefs, it's a despicable suggestion far beyond 'crap thoughtless'. Whilst I wouldn't want 'rape in hedge or anywhere else' upon anybody, it would be interesting to ask the question again after any such sad experience.

Again, I get your point, but I (respectfully) disagree. A person who ranks rape worse than religion might change their mind if they worked at Charlie Hedbo. Does that make religion worse? No...the facts are unchanged (such as they are in this case).

People pick up scars along life's journey, and whilst this can educate them, it's just as likely to lead them to bias or fear.

Anyways...not much to see here. We both agree on the fundamentals, and it's fine for us to differ on how we'd argue the point.

 

[Revoltingest]

If Sammy just happened to get dragged into a hedge on a dark night by an extremely violent and powerful madman and got raped at knife point.....

Is this an offer?
Ew.

 

[oldbadger]

Is this an offer?
Ew.

Although I wouldn't wish 'terrifying painful traumatic rape in hedge' upon anybody, the tiniest weeneist inkling of hope might just have popped up for the shortest moment.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I get what you mean, but what value does the claim itself hold?
None, in my estimation. Or more accurately, it's harmful.

The problem with the quote of Harris is that it is taken out of context. In context it is not nearly so objectionable.

 

[Subduction Zone]

people's belief systems in general catalyze people to do and not do things.


the more beliefs that people have in general with others the more organized the system becomes.


Self-organization - Wikipedia


the strange thing about all of this, are those who believe they are nothing like those they despise.


except for the grace of love, there go, I.

Yep, any belief system may be abused. And there have been evil atheists too. The question is for them did they act poorly because of their atheism or because of other beliefs. In the case of some famous communists I would say that it was an abuse of the communist ideal and not atheism that led to their bad behavior. I am not a fan of the communist ideal myself because people need to be motivated more by self interest rather than the self interest of the group. It does not work in reality.

 

[Father Heathen]

Some religion is benign. The same can't be said of rape.

 

[Fool]

Yep, any belief system may be abused. And there have been evil atheists too. The question is for them did they act poorly because of their atheism or because of other beliefs. In the case of some famous communists I would say that it was an abuse of the communist ideal and not atheism that led to their bad behavior. I am not a fan of the communist ideal myself because people need to be motivated more by self interest rather than the self interest of the group. It does not work in reality.

the species doesn't thrive when it becomes egocentric


Biological Altruism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)


the whole, which would include self, is greater than the sum of it's parts

 

[Subduction Zone]

Some religion is benign. The same can't be said of rape.

I would think that one would be hard pressed to find a religion that once it got in power did not abuse that power. The benign religions that I know of never had significant power over the lives of others.

 

[Rival]

Some religion is benign. The same can't be said of rape.

'Benign rape'. Even I haven't tried that one.

 

[Subduction Zone]

'Benign rape'. Even I haven't tried that one.

Don't worry, you probably will. I had never heard of "legitimate rape" until a certain politician coined that phrase.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

The problem with the quote of Harris is that it is taken out of context. In context it is not nearly so objectionable.

I know the context, and I find Harris interesting (if not always someone I agree with). I think he pulled the wrong rein on this one, so to speak

 

[Misunderstood]

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Anyone agree with Sammy?

Implying religion is worse than rape...

"Anyone agree with Sammy?" Probably someone does, I do not.

Some really bad things are done in the name of religion, but religion has done some really good things.

I cannot think of anytime rape would be a good thing.