Rape Victims: Do They Have a Responsibility in Getting Themselve Raped?

[Smart_Guy]

Hello all.

Some say rape victims are completely and always never responsible for getting raped, some others say that they are and they should have considered "this and that". Or does it depend for different cases, and on what?

What do you think of this?

Edit:
I'm not gonna vote.

Edit2:
I initially have nothing to do with this debate. I'm raising the topic to debate so I can get information in something I have no clue in. Please don't bash me.

Edit3:
Guys, forgive my English. By "responsibility" here, I mean the reasons sometimes used to blame the victims, and that includes the reasons thought if the victims avoided they could have not fall victims.

Edit4:
Those who vote, cannot be known by the public. So don't worry about getting known, if you are.

 

[psychoslice]

I would say that some ask for it, but most don't.

 

[Buttercup]

Hello all.

Some say rape victims are completely and always never responsible for getting raped, some others say that they are and they should have considered "this and that". Or does it depend for different cases, and on what?

What do you think of this?

According to the FBI, this is the standard definition of rape:

The new Summary definition of Rape is: “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

If a person does not give permission for any of the above activities to occur, it's considered rape.

 

[Buttercup]

I would say that some ask for it, but most don't.

In what types of cases are people "asking for it"?

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't think there are people on this planet who may find some extenuating circumstances in the crime of rape.
At least, when I studied criminal law at college, and I analyzed the article about rape (art. 609 bis It.Cr.C), I saw there are absolutely no extenuating circumstances. There are only aggravating circumstances.

 

[psychoslice]

In what types of cases are people "asking for it"?

When someone sexually turns one on and when it comes to the crunch, then backs out, that's just one example.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Seriously, this question shocks me a little bit. I don't think there are people on this planet who may find some extenuating circumstances in the crime of rape.
At least, when I studied criminal law at college, and I analyzed the article about rape (art. 609 bis It.Cr.C) there absolutely no extenuating circumstances. There are only aggravating circumstances.

It rather confuses me more than it does shocking you. I keep hearing people say things that raised this question to my mind. I'm not making it up.

I don't really see what's shocking in asking question by those completely have no idea or clue of things they don't have experience in.

 

[Buttercup]

When someone sexually turns one on and when it comes to the crunch, then backs out, that's just one example.

Is this a serious response? This isn't a joke thread.

 

[psychoslice]

Is this a serious response? This isn't a joke thread.

It certainly isn't a joke............I will tell you something Buttercup, I myself as a young male was raped by two men while at a party, my drink was drugged, I couldn't move my arms and legs, and yet I can say what I have said, and I know it can happen.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't really see what's shocking in asking question by those completely have no idea or clue of things they don't have experience in.

Yes, sorry, I shouldn't have said that.
It's just that I was referring to the people who (as you said) think that victims should have considered "this" and "that", that is, people who speak of extenuating circumstances.
I'm only expressing my amazement, thinking of the juridic discipline of my country.

 

[Buttercup]

It certainly isn't a joke............I will tell you something Buttercup, I myself as a young male was raped by two men while at a party, my drink was drugged, I couldn't move my arms and legs, and yet I can say what I have said, and I know it can happen.

Right. That was rape and I'm very, very sorry that happened to you, but why are you responsible for any of it? Did you tell them it was ok have sex with you?

Edit: I want to edit this so you don't feel the need to answer as the last question was framed in a rhetorical sense. If you were drugged against your wishes and acts happened that you didn't want to happen, none of that is your fault. Again, I'm sorry. That was a terrible thing to happen to you.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Yes, sorry, I shouldn't have said that.
It's just that I was referring to the people who (as you said) consider "this" and "that", that is, the extenuating circumstances, in the crime of rape.
I'm only expressing my amazement, thinking of the juridic discipline of my country.

Oh no, I'm not complaining

It just kinda confused me.

 

[Sees]

If the person who was raped made certain poor choices that made them more vulnerable/susceptible to rape (or any other violent crime) than usual...you could find some fault in those poor choices perhaps - you really can't lay the responsibility of rape (or any other violent crime) on them though.

You would have to find circumstances which you believe make rape justifiable for it to even start making any sense.

I don't think most places in the world even think of blaming the rape victim as a possibility.

 

[Mycroft]

Nobody is ever 'asking for it.' When you decide (however suddenly) that you don't want sex with someone and you say 'no' this doesn't mean 'I don't want to, but go ahead and force yourself upon me anyway, I was asking for it.' It means no.

It's like when you suddenly decide you're not that hungry after all. You don't expect your host to force the food down your throat anyway because you were asking for it.

 

[psychoslice]

Right. That was rape and I'm very, very sorry that happened to you, but why are you responsible for any of it? Did you tell them it was ok have sex with you?

It was at a gay party and I got a bit drunk, and all of a sudden I was out of it, the men were laughing at me, and I tried to get away from them but could use my legs, I knew what was happening but again I could move my legs and arms, I suppose I shouldn't have been at the party, plus drinking ?. I wasn't game to go to the police, it was too embarrassing for me, and it is with many other guys who get raped, not many ever report the rape.

 

[psychoslice]

Sexual energy is a powerful thing, not to be played around with, if your not serious about it.

 

[Sunstone]

Some say rape victims are completely and always never responsible for getting raped, some others say that they are and they should have considered "this and that". Or does it depend for different cases, and on what?

Smart Guy, I've lived for 59 years and I have never yet heard of even one rapist who was forced into raping someone by his victim.

 

[Buttercup]

It was at a gay party and I got a bit drunk, and all of a sudden I was out of it, the men were laughing at me, and I tried to get away from them but could use my legs, I knew what was happening but again I could move my legs and arms, I suppose I shouldn't have been at the party, plus drinking ?. I wasn't game to go to the police, it was too embarrassing for me, and it is with many other guys who get raped, not many ever report the rape.

In my mind, the surrounding circumstances never matter.

No person has the right to ever enter your body without you consciously allowing it to happen, even if you decide at the last second you don't want to have sex.

It's your body, you own it.

I want to hug you, I hope you don't mind.

 

[Sunstone]

When someone sexually turns one on and when it comes to the crunch, then backs out, that's just one example.

I've had that happen to me. People have backed out on me. Once even a second or two before penetration. This may amaze and confound you, but in no case did I feel forced to go ahead and rape the woman. Absolutely astonishing, I know.

 

[Sunstone]

It certainly isn't a joke............I will tell you something Buttercup, I myself as a young male was raped by two men while at a party, my drink was drugged, I couldn't move my arms and legs, and yet I can say what I have said, and I know it can happen.

I'm very sorry to hear that, Psychoslice. You didn't deserve it.