Rape Victims: Do They Have a Responsibility in Getting Themselve Raped?

[Revoltingest]

I want to know Revolt's opinion, if he wishes.
@Revoltingest

I don't find my answer among the poll options.
Moreover, the word "responsible" will mean different things to different people.
So I'll just make some statements.....
1) No victim deserves to be assaulted.
2) People ought to conduct their affairs to optimize their own safety, & that of others (to the extent practical).
3) Anyone who disagrees with #1 or #2 is a crazy poopy head.

 

[Estro Felino]

But that sense or meaning of "moral responsibility" doesn't work so well when we speak of someone's "responsibility" to, say, avoid extremely risky behaviors that might reasonably lead to their being stolen from, murdered, or raped. I don't know of any serious philosopher who would argue, for instance, that we have a moral responsibility or obligation not to engage in extremely risky behaviors that might reasonably lead to our being stolen from, murdered, or raped.

Exactly. In my country there are two main degrees of culpability: intent (dolus) and recklessness\negligence (culpa). Neither of them have something to do with morality. They have to do with juridic duties. I give you a practical example.
A prostitute engages in a very risky behavior, which is morally despicable. Although, prostitution is not a crime, so a prostitute who is raped, has zero responsibility, according to the Italian criminal law. The responsibility is all reversed onto the rapist, regardless of how morally despicable the behavior of the prostitute is.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't think it is possible for anyone who is not suffering of serious psychological issues to "ask for" rape. So no.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

If a woman decides to walk home alone in a big city at 2AM wearing practically nothing, I would call that unintelligent.

However, any man who decides to do anything to her is 100% fully responsible because that is his decision, he isn't a mindless sex animal, and deserves a good chop to the wee-wee.

 

[Revoltingest]

If a woman decides to walk home alone in a big city at 2AM wearing practically nothing, I would call that unintelligent.

However, any man who decides to do anything to her is 100% fully responsible because that is his decision, he isn't a mindless sex animal, and deserves a good chop to the wee-wee.

I was going to offer her a blanket (to keep warm while walking), but your punishment is too strong a disincentive.

And yes, I carry blankets (for moving furniture & machinery) in me truck.

 

[FearGod]

I've had that happen to me. People have backed out on me. Once even a second or two before penetration. This may amaze and confound you, but in no case did I feel forced to go ahead and rape the woman. Absolutely astonishing, I know.

You failed in the foreplay, that's why.

 

[FearGod]

If a woman decides to walk home alone in a big city at 2AM wearing practically nothing, I would call that unintelligent.

However, any man who decides to do anything to her is 100% fully responsible because that is his decision, he isn't a mindless sex animal, and deserves a good chop to the wee-wee.

What if he was over drunk?

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

What if he was over drunk?

He is responsible for getting drunk, and for the consequences thereof.

 

[FearGod]

He is responsible for getting drunk, and for the consequences thereof.

What if she was drunk too?

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

What if she was drunk too?

Then she is stupid, but if she isn't giving consent and clearly not up for it and the man takes advantage of her then he is still responsible.

 

[Revoltingest]

He is responsible for getting drunk, and for the consequences thereof.

If a person gets drunk, & as a result is assaulted, is this person responsible for the consequences?

Caution:
The above is a sneaky question.
It serves to illustrate the problems of "responsibility" having different meanings & connotations.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

If a person gets drunk, & as a result is assaulted, is this person responsible for the consequences?

Caution:
The above is a sneaky question.
It serves to illustrate the problems of "responsibility" having different meanings & connotations.

He is responsible for his own actions, not things that happen to him against his will, though he does deserve to be called dense, stupid and a nincompoop.

 

[Revoltingest]

He is responsible for his own actions, not things that happen to him against his will, though he does deserve to be called dense, stupid and a nincompoop.

You chose a male pronoun in dealing with my gender neutral scenario.
Would you say the same for a female who is raped?

Caution:
Sneakiness again.

 

[HonestJoe]

Murder victims: Do they have a responsibility for getting themselves murdered?

If a mid-level drug dealer tries to con the international gangsters he gets his supplies from so they kill him as an example to others, doesn’t he have some responsibility for the situation? The killers and the people who ordered them remain just as guilty for their crimes but we can’t ignore that the actions of the victim played a significant role in his own death.

 

[FearGod]

You chose a male pronoun in dealing with my gender neutral scenario.
Would you say the same for a female who is raped?

Caution:
Sneakiness again.

She's a stupid but a victim.

 

[FearGod]

He is responsible for his own actions, not things that happen to him against his will, though he does deserve to be called dense, stupid and a nincompoop.

Isn't he responsible for being drunk at first place, regardless of whom did the assault?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Guys, thanks for the feed back. Rape is not something we have serious problems with, so you are the best source for such information. Need more info tho.

Forgive me, rhetoric is my native language.

No, rape victims are not responsible for getting themselves raped. That is an extremely ridiculous suggestion.

No problem, we're buddies.

Now, how does it feel posting something meaningful instead?

I don't find my answer among the poll options.
Moreover, the word "responsible" will mean different things to different people.
So I'll just make some statements.....
1) No victim deserves to be assaulted.
2) People ought to conduct their affairs to optimize their own safety, & that of others (to the extent practical).
3) Anyone who disagrees with #1 or #2 is a crazy poopy head.

But... I agree with 1&2 above! This is not fair!

I don't think it is possible for anyone who is not suffering of serious psychological issues to "ask for" rape. So no.

"Asked for it" as in the eloquent "you deserved it because of your actions" or do you mean the literal meaning of the words?

 

[Sunstone]

If a mid-level drug dealer tries to con the international gangsters he gets his supplies from so they kill him as an example to others, doesn’t he have some responsibility for the situation? The killers and the people who ordered them remain just as guilty for their crimes but we can’t ignore that the actions of the victim played a significant role in his own death.

Precisely how "don't we ignore the actions of the victim"? By giving the killers lesser sentences? What exactly do you mean in concrete terms?

 

[Sunstone]

Important Note:
Those who vote, cannot be know by the public.

Yes, that's unfortunate. It might have provided some little insight into the psychology of folks who think the victim can be held responsible.

 

[Sunstone]

Exactly. In my country there are two main degrees of culpability: intent (dolus) and recklessness\negligence (culpa). Neither of them have something to do with morality. They have to do with juridic duties. I give you a practical example.
A prostitute engages in a very risky behavior, which is morally despicable. Although, prostitution is not a crime, so a prostitute who is raped, has zero responsibility, according to the Italian criminal law. The responsibility is all reversed onto the rapist, regardless of how morally despicable the behavior of the prostitute is.

I see your point. It's an interesting angle. Thanks!