Rapture Letter (Automatic Email Sent Out to Specified Recipients After the First Resurrection)

[FFH]

Simple: The scriptures provided by FFH are LDS. Dune is not LDS. Therefore, those scriptures are moot to him

Dawny is ALSO referring to the Bible, which ALSO says the same thing.

1 Thessalonians 4: 17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Doctrine and Covenants 88: 96 (LDS scripture)
96 And the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him.

Doctrine and Covenants 27: 18 (LDS scripture)
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of my Spirit, which I will pour out upon you, and my word which I reveal unto you, and be agreed as touching all things whatsoever ye ask of me, and be faithful until I come, and ye shall be caught up, that where I am ye shall be also. Amen.

Doctrine and Covenants 76: 102 (LDS scripture)
Last of all, these all are they who will not be gathered with the saints, to be caught up unto the church of the Firstborn, and received into the cloud.

Doctrine and Covenants 101: 31 (LDS scripture)
And when he dies he shall not sleep, that is to say in the earth, but shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye, and shall be caught up, and his rest shall be glorious.

Doctrine and Covenants 109: 75 (LDS scripture)
That when the trump shall sound for the dead, we shall be caught up in the cloud to meet thee, that we may ever be with the Lord;

Scripture Search: Caught Up

 

[FFH]

I'll take that as a "no."

Oh, I remember now, there's also the theory that we will meet the Lord in the air, then return right back to earth.

Go ahead, take your best shot at discrediting and misenterpreting scripture.

True, we will return to earth, but not right away, we will be gone during the final destruction and renewal of this earth

 

[Enlighten]

Oh, I remember now, there's also the theory that we will meet the Lord in the air, then return right back to earth.

Go ahead, take your best shot at discrediting and misenterpreting scripture.

Forgive my ignorance. Can you tell me where the theory that we will return right back to earth comes from? Also do you know what the purpose of this would be?

 

[FFH]

Forgive my ignorance. Can you tell me where the theory that we will return right back to earth comes from? Also do you know what the purpose of this would be?

It's a false theory to believe that we will return RIGHT back to earth, after we've been "changed in a twinkling of an eye".

Nowhere can that theory be found in scripture, it's a COMPLETELY man made theory.

We will EVENTUALLY return to earth, but not until AFTER the final DESTRUCTION and RENEWAL of the earth.

 

[Enlighten]

It's a false theory to believe that we will return RIGHT back to earth.

We will EVENTUALLY return to earth, but not until AFTER the final DESTRUCTION and RENEWAL of the earth.

I thought this may be the case as I didn't see any point being raised from earth to return straight back.

 

[Dunemeister]

I totally respect the views of those who do not accept the concept of "the rapture" but I am curious how you interpret the scripture that FFH provided. Surely, if you reject the rapture concept, you have an alternate explanation for scripture suggesting that we will be we taken up into the clouds.

FFH has provided no actual scriptural support for God scooping away people in advance of...well, anything, really. The only scripture offered is 1Thessalonians 4, and there, FFH, along with most American fundagelicals since the 1890s (approximately), have misunderstood what is really just a vivid metaphor. Rather than speak on my own authority, I'll provide a link to a short paper presented by Tom Wright, whose views on this match mine. He's just far more eloquent.

Farewell to the Rapture

 

[FFH]

FFH has provided no actual scriptural support for God scooping away people in advance of...well, anything, really. The only scripture offered is 1Thessalonians 4, and there, FFH, along with most American fundagelicals since the 1890s (approximately), have misunderstood what is really just a vivid metaphor. Rather than speak on my own authority, I'll provide a link to a short paper presented by Tom Wright, whose views on this match mine. He's just far more eloquent.

Farewell to the Rapture

Scripture NEEDS NO interpretation, for those who are in Christ.

 

[Azakel]

Scripture NEEDS NO interpretation for those who are in Christ.

And what make you so sure you "are in Christ" and have the right meanings?
You in fact could vary well be being trick by this 'Devil' you so speak of, and other Christians like the one the Dune posted a link to can be the ones who are Truly "In Christ"

 

[FFH]

Matthew 24: 40
Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 17: 36
Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left

Mathew 24: 40 (Joseph Smith Inspired Version)
Then shall be fulfilled that which is written, that in the last days, two shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other left;

Read these scriptures in context. I've provided a link to each one, as always.

 

[FFH]

And what make you so sure you "are in Christ" and have the right meanings?
You in fact could vary well be being trick by this 'Devil' you so speak of, and other Christians like the one the Dune posted a link to can be the ones who are Truly "In Christ"

I refer to scripture, NOT man.

Do you see me pointing to a MAN ???, NO, I point to SCRIPTURE (JESUS).

Scriptures are the LIVING word of God (Jesus).

I point people to JESUS (SCRIPTURE), NOT MAN, as Dunemeister has done.

 

[FFH]

I don't need man to tell me what SCRIPTURES (JESUS) PLAINLY say (says).

 

[dawny0826]

Simple: The scriptures provided by FFH are LDS. Dune is not LDS. Therefore, those scriptures are moot to him

Similar scripture can be found in biblical text that isn't LDS-specific.

 

[dawny0826]

FFH has provided no actual scriptural support for God scooping away people in advance of...well, anything, really. The only scripture offered is 1Thessalonians 4, and there, FFH, along with most American fundagelicals since the 1890s (approximately), have misunderstood what is really just a vivid metaphor. Rather than speak on my own authority, I'll provide a link to a short paper presented by Tom Wright, whose views on this match mine. He's just far more eloquent.

Farewell to the Rapture

I do appreciate the links and will read, however, I was more interested in your own interpretation of scripture. You claim that 1 Thess. 4 is a vivid metaphor. Why do you feel so? I would like to read what you have to say, based upon your own authority.

 

[Azakel]

I refer to scripture, NOT man.

Do you see me pointing to a MAN ???, NO, I point to SCRIPTURE (JESUS).

Scriptures are the LIVING word of God (Jesus).

I point people to JESUS (SCRIPTURE), NOT MAN as Dunemeister has done.

Yeah but it's your interpretation of scripture. And yes you have posted link to "MAN"(and women) for there meanings(hypocrite). And all Dune did was post a link to someone that has a WAY better understanding of scripture and could say it better then he could.

 

[FFH]

DC Talk - I Wish We'd All Been Ready [Live]

 

[Dunemeister]

Matthew 24: 40
Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 17: 36
Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left

Mathew 24: 40 (Joseph Smith Inspired Version)
Then shall be fulfilled that which is written, that in the last days, two shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other left;

Read these scriptures in context. I've provided a link to each one, as always.

In context, Jesus is speaking about the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. The prophecy concerns that, not a rapture.

 

[FFH]

Yeah but it's your interpretation of scripture. And yes you have posted link to "MAN"(and women) for there meanings(hypocrite). And all Dune did was post a link to someone that has a WAY better understanding of scripture and could say it better then he could.

I haven't seen ONE person post ONE scripture in this thread yet.

Dawny is the only one who understands this scripture, as it was meant to be understood.

 

[Dunemeister]

I do appreciate the links and will read, however, I was more interested in your own interpretation of scripture. You claim the 1 Thess. 4 to be vivid metaphor. Why do you feel so? I would like to read what you have to say, based upon your own authority.

As I said, my opinions and those of the linked author are exactly the same. I could copy and paste, but what would be the point?

 

[Dunemeister]

I haven't seen ONE person post ONE scripture in this thread yet.

Dawny is the only one who understands this scripture, as it was meant to be understood.

Yes, the triumphalism of the fundagelical. Wonderful. Read the linked article. It has all the scriptural references you'll need.

 

[FFH]

In context, Jesus is speaking about the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. The prophecy concerns that, not a rapture.

Luke 17
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? (where will they be taken?) And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.