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rapture QUESTIONS
- Thread starter WALL
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outhouse
Atheistically
Have you ever thought the rapture could be mythology?
I imagine he means within the context of Christian belief. Whether you consider that mythology or not is up to you.
I don't think that Christians will be getting their reward as soon as the rapture happens, as it would make more sense for them to get that only after Judgment Day. I imagine their souls will be brought to some kind of "holding place". Perhaps it will be practically the same as dying and the raptured will have no conscious awareness until Judgment Day comes.
Sees
Dragonslayer
My memory comes and goes but I think most evangelicals who do lots of prophecy focused teaching were pretty dang convinced they would be going to heaven... mostly thinking of ones from the 80's-90's.
Most also convinced it would happen within 20 years or so of their lecture, book, audio tape though
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
I don't interpret these verses to be about the rapture at all, but more about abandoning the flesh for the spirit - more a description of rebirth than rapture.
I'll need to review and ponder...
InChrist
Free4ever
I believe when the church/bride of Christ is raptured we will initially go to heaven because that is where the Lord is and the scriptures elsewhere indicate when we leave this earthly life and body we will from that point on always be with the Lord (1Thessalonians 4:15-18; 2 Corinthians 5:6-10) and Revelation 19 speaks of a great multitude in heaven at the marriage supper of the Lamb. I think this would include the saints of the Old Testament period along with believers removed at the rapture.
Muffled
Jesus in me
That chapter is not usually associated with the rapture. However it does describe an event that happens at the rapture which is the resurrection of the dead and the catching up of living humans. At that time human bodies are supposed to be changed from temporal (dieing) bodies to eternal (not dieing from old age) bodies.
I Th 4:17 then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the Lord is here at that time and not in Heaven.
Rev 14:1 ¶ And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty and four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them that were sealed, a hundred and forty and four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Israel:
Rev 7:9 After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands;
Well, the Rapture is nowhere mentioned in the Bible, for starters...
Those who said that the Rapture is a belief that started in the 1800's are spot-on.
Those who said that the Rapture is a belief that started in the 1800's are spot-on.
InChrist
Free4ever
I don't think the concept of the rapture started in the 1800's, but is revealed in the NT scriptures and even alluded to in the OT.
WALL
Member
Where would I find rapture scriptures in the OT
Do you have any proof that the Rapture was taught by anyone prior to the later stages of the Protestant Reformation? The thought never even crossed the mind of the early Christians. 1 Thessalonians 4's mention of "being caught up with the air" only happens after the Resurrection of the Dead. And if we're being "raptured" anywhere, it's to the Judgement Seat of Christ, after the Tribulation and Armageddon.
no-body
Well-Known Member
The theory was created by John Darby in the 1800's:
John Nelson Darby - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Muffled
Jesus in me
So are you saying that I TH 4 didn't exist in the Bible before the 1800's?
Muffled
Jesus in me
Maybe people didn't believe in the Bible before the 1800's. Maybe it took a reformation for people to believe in the Bible.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the story of Elijah being caught up (rapio) in a fiery chariot suffices as a pre-cursor,
WALL
Member
But the thing is in those "rapture" scriptures you find Christ coming to the earth. Hes not in heaven. Hes here. Another question...who is the bride?
Oh no, it existed, alright. It's just that absolutely no one ever thought that 1Thessalonians 4 was implying any sort of Rapture. It's about the resurrection of the dead and the Last Judgement, not about people getting whisked off the planet and leaving everyone else behind. The Rapture is a newfangled belief that twists Scripture out of context, the result of Protestants thinking that they're too good to go through the Tribulation and everything else that's going to go down in Revelation.
"Because God totally never said that Christians would be persecuted, martyred and hated by the world! Nope, God's gonna sweep us off our feet and take us into Heaven and the Good Ol' Boys' Club while the rest of the world burns. Because we're so much better than those poor sinners. They deserve what's coming, and we're gonna be sitting up on a cloud and laughing."
That's the way I see the thought processes of those who believe in the Rapture. It's an inherent unwillingness to actually suffer for Christ's sake, a naive hope that we will never have to be persecuted or face hardship because of our faith.
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As the woman said, the Bride of Christ is the Church.