Real story of jesus

[Ahsanraza]

Not breaking the legs means that he's already dead.

breaking legs was custom, roman soldier broke the legs of two persons, they were with Jesus on cross. roman solder did not gt the courage to break the legs of Jesus

 

[Me Myself]

Not breaking the legs means that he's already dead.

It means that they think he is dead to be more accurate.

Jesus drank something before "dying". There were herb extracts in those times to make your body fake death, and that cuold well be what he was given. It is suspiecios that he died a lot quicker than most do as I understand. Techinicaly one dies because of asfixiation in a cross, and you can avoid it by using strength from your legs, that´s why the broke them. Now JEsus that seemed to be much of a wanderer it is curious that his legs were weak to the point of dying in around 9-6 hours. That is very prematour for most to what I have read.

(if your sources say otherwise though, I may re-check mine and then we may compare )

 

[Me Myself]

breaking legs was custom, roman soldier broke the legs of two persons, they were with Jesus on cross. roman solder did not gt the courage to break the legs of Jesus

It was a way of making sure they died if theyhad been fighting it for too long. If they thought he was dead already, there was no need to break his legs.

 

[Pegg]

So what?

A lot of different kind of traditions have had smart prophets and such who could predict stuff and also spoke very different dogmas than those caming from the bible.

like who? Nostradamus?

No. Prediction is not a prophecy. They are quite different. A prophecy always comes from God....anyone of us can 'predict' the future.
And true prophets never, NEVER, contradict each other. They cannot because what they preach/teach/prophecy stems from God...not themselves.

Hundreds of different versions of the bible do exist today, having differences in more than one passage. Not all of them are going to be perfectly faithful to God´s word so human management has definetely touched the scriptures.

Your talking about 'translations' of the original text from hebrew/greek to another language though. Translations may change and there are certainly good and bad translations. But the fact is that what we have in the original languages is always the same because they did not need to translate them...they merely 'copied' them.

So a good translator can make a good translation and we can be sure that we are reading the word of God as it was meant to be read.

 

[Ahsanraza]

It means that they think he is dead to be more accurate.

Jesus drank something before "dying". There were herb extracts in those times to make your body fake death, and that cuold well be what he was given. It is suspiecios that he died a lot quicker than most do as I understand. Techinicaly one dies because of asfixiation in a cross, and you can avoid it by using strength from your legs, that´s why the broke them. Now JEsus that seemed to be much of a wanderer it is curious that his legs were weak to the point of dying in around 9-6 hours. That is very prematour for most to what I have read.

(if your sources say otherwise though, I may re-check mine and then we may compare )

we agree at two points, first roman did not bother to break legs of Jesus to hasten death since he thought He was already dead or he had fear to do this. breaking the legs would have been davestating due to the severe trauma of blood loss and consequential. hypovolemic shock by breaking one of the larger bones in body, the tibia in each leg. in gospel, it is mentioned that he did not break the legs of Jesus, why gospel tells this because it does mean something important about Jesus. not breaking legs is the meaningless issue for corpse. a fuller reading of psalm 34, verses 19 and 20 underscores it.
secondly, we agree that the process of crucifixion was incomplete because of earthquake and jews did not like to perform crucifixion on Saturday, Jesus stuck on cross barely 2-3 hours, in this short period person cannot die on cross. two thefts(with Jesus) died because roman broke their legs.

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

So any book professing to teach from God which talks of an afterlife (in the sense of living on as a spirit after one dies) then they are telling the same lie that Satan told Eve in the garden of Eden...."you positively will not die but you will become like God..."

this is an amazing comment.

doesn't the bible talk about afterlife, does it?

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Proof: Elvis is Alive!

Elvis Presley, the man, the myth, the legend, the king of rock-n-roll, IS ALIVE and working as an undercover agent for the DEA. For years, the man known only as Elvis to the public, has caused world wide confusion concerning his supposed death on August 16, 1977 after entertaining and dazzling the world for over 20 years. Elvis Aaron Presley, did not die on that fateful day. He was only removed from the public eye to continue in his fight against drug use.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Lol yeah

And Tupac is still alive, chillen in the caribbean with some hotties.

 

[Me Myself]

like who? Nostradamus?

No. Prediction is not a prophecy. They are quite different. A prophecy always comes from God....anyone of us can 'predict' the future.
And true prophets never, NEVER, contradict each other. They cannot because what they preach/teach/prophecy stems from God...not themselves.

What prophets say ALWAYS come from both God and themselves. The human factor is always involved because even if they are revealed a perfect truth, they have to EXPRESS it and they may not be as good at that as God. They can also misinterpret it or interpret it to the best of their knowledge.

Jesus contradict many things from past scriptures for example. He ended the eye for an eye.

Also should remember that the OT God promoted slavery and genocide.

Your talking about 'translations' of the original text from hebrew/greek to another language though. Translations may change and there are certainly good and bad translations. But the fact is that what we have in the original languages is always the same because they did not need to translate them...they merely 'copied' them.

So a good translator can make a good translation and we can be sure that we are reading the word of God as it was meant to be read.

Actually, there are passages that were completely made up.

For example, the passage of the adulterer, the scholar in the video talks about how there isn´t an early writting of such passage and most scholars (or all don´t remember how he put it) agree that it was a later addition.

Also what has to do with the resurrection of Christ seems to have been an addition to the original texts.

 

[gnostic]

turin shroud is a scientific proof that Jesus did not die on cross, and there are countless scientific, historical proofs.

Turin Shroud is not "scientific proof" of anything.

The shroud doesn't prove either way that Jesus was crucified or not, and it doesn't prove that Jesus existed or not, because the shroud is a medieval (or Renaissance) fake.

It is also old news, and long since debunked, as fake.

One thing for certain if this is your "proof" of Jesus not being crucified then I must say it is truly pathetic one. Pathetic because you didn't explain your reasoning with your claim about the Turin Shroud.

Explain your reasoning with your claim and how shroud support your claim.

 

[Pegg]

this is an amazing comment.

doesn't the bible talk about afterlife, does it?

im afraid not.

The hebrew scriptures speak only of Sheol... that is the hebrew word for the grave.
(Psalm 115:17) The dead themselves do not praise Jah, Nor do any going down into silence.
(Isaiah 38:18) For it is not She′ol (the grave) that can laud you; death itself cannot praise you. Those going down into the pit cannot look hopefully to your trueness.


King Solomon said that at death, mankind return to the dust and become non existent.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, ...6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:10 All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She′ol (grave), the place to which you are going
Job 34:15 All flesh will expire together, And earthling man himself will return to the very dust

The prophet Ezekiel said that the soul who sins, dies.
Ezekiel 18:4 Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.

God told Adam that when he dies, he will return to the place from which he came....the dust.
Genesis 3:. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return
Psalm 146:4 His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish


The scriptures do not teach that we live on as spirits when we die. We return to dust.

 

[idav]

this is an amazing comment.

doesn't the bible talk about afterlife, does it?

The story confirms that the serpent was telling the truth which is the point when the serpent and humans got cursed/downgraded.

 

[Pegg]

The story confirms that the serpent was telling the truth which is the point when the serpent and humans got cursed/downgraded.

well the serpent told eve 'You positively will not die'

yet where is she today?

 

[Shermana]

im afraid not.

The hebrew scriptures speak only of Sheol... that is the hebrew word for the grave.
King Solomon said that at death, mankind return to the dust and become non existent.
The prophet Ezekiel said that the soul who sins, dies.
God told Adam that when he dies, he will return to the place he came....the dust.

The scriptures do not teach that we live on as spirits when we die.

Nope, "Sheol" can possibly be interpreted as a metaphor for the grave, but it was translated as "Hades" for good reason. And David says things like "My soul will go on to live in the land of Shadows". Not only that, but the Torah specifically commands the Israelites to not speak to the Spirits of the dead. That should cover it completely. What Ezekiel said is that the soul who sins will die....in the flesh. Same with Adam and Eve. Going back to the dust means no more life in the current body. And then there's the episode of the Witch of Endor calling Samuel's soul from the Grave.

The Tanakh is filled with references to the afterlife. It's the non-believers in the soul and the afterlife who have to twist and turn the text to get it to say something completely different.

 

[idav]

well the serpent told eve 'You positively will not die'

yet where is she today?

I was commenting to the "lie" that we would become gods. The statement your referencing was to debunk the lie that god told when he said we would die if we ate the fruit. We didn't die until god decided to put a countdown on our lifespans. I couldn't be certain if the serpent knew that would happen.

 

[Pegg]

Nope, "Sheol" can possibly be interpreted as a metaphor for the grave, but it was translated as "Hades" for good reason. And David says things like "My soul will go on to live in the land of Shadows". Not only that, but the Torah specifically commands the Israelites to not speak to the Spirits of the dead. That should cover it completely. What Ezekiel said is that the soul who sins will die....in the flesh. Same with Adam and Eve. Going back to the dust means no more life in the current body. And then there's the episode of the Witch of Endor calling Samuel's soul from the Grave.

The Tanakh is filled with references to the afterlife. It's the non-believers in the soul and the afterlife who have to twist and turn the text to get it to say something completely different.

what do you think of the scriptures i posted above?

 

[Pegg]

I was commenting to the "lie" that we would become gods. The statement your referencing was to debunk the lie that god told when he said we would die if we ate the fruit. We didn't die until god decided to put a countdown on our lifespans. I couldn't be certain if the serpent knew that would happen.

wow, you really think God lied about us dying?

 

[idav]

wow, you really think God lied about us dying?

It was a white lie. We were being deceived on both sides by not telling us the whole truth.

 

[Pegg]

It was a white lie. We were being deceived on both sides by not telling us the whole truth.

the scriptures tell us that it impossible for God to lie at hebrews 6:18 in which it is impossible for God to lie

and by the word of moses at Numbers 23:19 God is not a man that he should tell lies, Neither a son of mankind that he should feel regret. Has he himself said it and will he not do it, And has he spoken and will he not carry it out?

and in the book of 1 Samuel 15:29 And, besides, the Excellency of Israel will not prove false, and He will not feel regrets, for He is not an earthling man so as to feel regrets.”
Also again by Paul in Titus 1:2 upon the basis of a hope of the everlasting life which God, who cannot lie, promised before times long lasting


I wont believe that God lies to us when the scriptures clearly show that he will not.

 

[Shades-o-Blue]

according to ahmadyia community, Jesus died normally in Kashmir, India. in fact jews tried to crucify Him but they failed and then Jesus escaped and went to India, after that He spent His life in India.

You mean I've just spent all of my 40+ years devoutly entrenched in a sham of a religion??