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real vs an illusion

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
What is the difference between a thing that is real and a thing that is an illusion?

What makes a thing real?

What makes a thing an illusion?

What in this universe is real and what in this universe is an illusion?

Isn't being an illusion a way of being real?????

I don't understanding the distinction
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
What is the difference between a thing that is real and a thing that is an illusion?

What makes a thing real?

What makes a thing an illusion?

What in this universe is real and what in this universe is an illusion?

Isn't being an illusion a way of being real?????

I don't understanding the distinction
For me illusion is limited to select senses and individuals.
Real can affect all senses and all individuals.

For example, a Rainbow while many people will consider it real is an illusion for me. It affects many individuals' sight only.

A rock however is real because I can see it, feel it, I can move it, I can taste it, If dropped or thrown I can hear it and so can other individuals whether they be human or not.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
That's what I was getting at

Some say the universe is an illusion

But obviously it can cause you real harm

I don't get the distinction that many operate
In a dream I step in front of a truck. When I wake up I know it was just a dream.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
An illusion is a false or misleading perception, caused by perspective. That doesn’t mean there’s no underlying reality - it means that reality has been misconstrued. For example, it’s an illusion that the sun sets in the west and rises in the east, having travelled behind the earth during the hours of darkness. The sun is real, the refraction of light associated with a glorious sunset is a real phenomenon, but the illusion that it is the sun that moves in relation to the earth, is a function of our misleading perspective.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
What makes a thing real?

What makes a thing an illusion?

What in this universe is real and what in this universe is an illusion?

Isn't being an illusion a way of being real?????

I don't understanding the distinction

Don't step in front of a truck.

That's what I was getting at

Some say the universe is an illusion

But obviously it can cause you real harm

I don't get the distinction that many operate

:facepalm:

----> ignore-list​

:facepalm:
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
From one’s perspective of this waking consciousness, everything one experiences in this reality is real.

From the dream character’s perspective in dream consciousness, everything s/he experiences in that dream reality is real.

From the perspective waking consciousness, everything that was experienced in the dream reality was an illusion.

From the perspective of Absolute Reality (Brahman), everything experienced in waking consciousness is an illusion.
 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
From one’s perspective of this waking consciousness, everything one experiences in this reality is real.

From the dream character’s perspective in dream consciousness, everything s/he experiences in that dream reality is real.

From the perspective waking consciousness, everything that was experienced in the dream reality was an illusion.

From the perspective of Absolute Reality (Brahman), everything experienced in waking consciousness is an illusion.
So, is Maya an illusion or is it real?

I don't understand that belief
 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
Maya is time, space, and causation. It is the medium of the illusion.
Could you please explain it to me in more detail?

What do you mean by "illusion"?

In what way is it an illusion, how is it an illusion?

I don't understand
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What is the difference between a thing that is real and a thing that is an illusion? So, is Maya an illusion or is it real?
Notice that the word illusion can be used in more than one way. A magic trick is an illusion. What you're seeing isn't what you think you're seeing. So is a mirage of an oasis if it looks like a place to get a drink. So is a rainbow if it looks like something you could walk to or climb across. With a little help, you can see that none of them were what they appeared to be using the same senses that were previously deceived.

But the word is used in another sense, wherein it is claimed that nothing is as appears, a condition that cannot be corrected using the senses, as with your second comment regarding Maya, or calling duality illusion. One might learn that things aren't how they appear, but he can't experience them otherwise. Like rainbows, solid things like mountains aren't really solid, but the difference is that they can be climbed. Nothing is bright or red, but this illusion is different from a standard optical illusion, where we CAN be shown that two colors are actually the same despite being made to look different. Maybe you've seen this, which is the first kind of illusion, the kind that CAN be demonstrated as such to the senses:

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An unfortunately, the two are usually conflated, as if the rainbow and mountain are alike, as if the mountain will ever behave like the rainbow and not behave as we expect a mountain to behave, as if a different understanding of a mountain should affect our approach to it.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Could you please explain it to me in more detail?

What do you mean by "illusion"?

In what way is it an illusion, how is it an illusion?

I don't understand
Perception of something that appears to exist empirically, but is misinterpreted as a result of misunderstanding of or being in ignorance of its true nature.
 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
Perception of something that appears to exist empirically, but is misinterpreted as a result of misunderstanding of or being in ignorance of its true nature.
So it's a case of things being real but not being as they seem?

As opposed to it not being real?
 

Soandso

ᛋᛏᚨᚾᛞ ᛋᚢᚱᛖ
Perception of something that appears to exist empirically, but is misinterpreted as a result of misunderstanding of or being in ignorance of its true nature.

Wouldn't that make reality objectively true, and the illusion a figment of our own minds?
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
So it's a case of things being real but not being as they seem?

As opposed to it not being real?


Yep, that’s an illusion. So when you hear people say “this is a world of illusion”, often they mean “nothing is quite what it appears to be”, rather than “nothing is real”.
 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
Yep, that’s an illusion. So when you hear people say “this is a world of illusion”, often they mean “nothing is quite what it appears to be”, rather than “nothing is real”.
OK, that's what confused me

Thanks for the clarification
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
So it's a case of things being real but not being as they seem?

As opposed to it not being real?
It depends on how you define “real.”

Were the buildings in your dream last night and people you interacted with real?

The experience was real, but you can’t go now in your waking consciousness back to the building you were in to finish the cup of tea you poured yourself in your dream but didn’t finish.
 
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