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Reality of global warming

sayak83

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While Trump tries to wash off all responsibility for global climate change, the reality of the science behind it and it's damaging impact remains true as it ever was.
globalT_1951-1980base.png


https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Current rise is already at 1 degree Celsius.

In this thread I will try to show how well validated the scientific case for human caused warming and its impact is.
 

sayak83

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So, if you drive a car and use electricity. you are part of the problem. Do not complain about how serious the problem is until you stop driving and using electricity.
Are trying to use illogical rhetoric. The entire point is to development and implementation of technologies that reduce emissions from car and electricity and the robust policies that can make it happen.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
While Trump tries to wash off all responsibility for global climate change, the reality of the science behind it and it's damaging impact remains true as it ever was.
globalT_1951-1980base.png


https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Current rise is already at 1 degree Celsius.

In this thread I will try to show how well validated the scientific case for human caused warming and its impact is.

Garbage based on speculative modeling. Never was any "Global Warming" (this nonsense has been going on since 1999, BTW) so those wishing to manipulate the rest of the world came up with a more nebulous hoax called "Climate Change". I challenge you to show me one person whose death certificate reads, "...cause of death: global warming and/or climate change...". As far as that goes I dare you to concretely prove that one acre of land has been damaged or one animal harmed by any of this supposed cataclysmic happening. Good luck.


An Inconvenient Truth ( documentary)
supports the reality of global warming

Al Gore narrates

Mr. Gore made millions of dollars selling this pseudo-scientific snake oil to an obviously large number of gullible humans (check out his very big and expansive carbon footprint). Well played, sir.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Garbage based on speculative modeling. Never was any "Global Warming" (this nonsense has been going on since 1999, BTW) so those wishing to manipulate the rest of the world came up with a more nebulous hoax called "Climate Change". I challenge you to show me one person whose death certificate reads, "...cause of death: global warming and/or climate change...". As far as that goes I dare you to concretely prove that one acre of land has been damaged or one animal harmed by any of this supposed cataclysmic happening. Good luck.




Mr. Gore made millions of dollars selling this pseudo-scientific snake oil to an obviously large number of gullible humans (check out his very big and expansive carbon footprint). Well played, sir.
I don't care Mr. Gores paycheck

poor play on your part
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
When I was a little boy
Christmas would be white.....as in.....snow
plenty of it
we could make tunnels in it

now we get ice water
maybe a couple of inches of the white stuff
maybe a week of bitter temp
 

sayak83

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The increasingly rapid rate of ice loss from Greenland

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/great-greenland-meltdown

In Greenland, the great melt is on. The decline of Greenland's ice sheet is a familiar story, but until recently, massive calving glaciers that carry ice from the interior and crumble into the sea got most of the attention. Between 2000 and 2008, such "dynamic" changes accounted for about as much mass loss as surface melting and shifts in snowfall. But the balance tipped dramatically between 2011 and 2014, when satellite data and modeling suggested that 70% of the annual 269 billion tons of snow and ice shed by Greenland was lost through surface melt, not calving. The accelerating surface melt has doubled Greenland's contribution to global sea level rise since 1992–2011, to 0.74 mm per year. "Nobody expected the ice sheet to lose so much mass so quickly," says geophysicist Isabella Velicogna of the University of California, Irvine. "Things are happening a lot faster than we expected."

Although the Arctic is warming twice as fast as the rest of the world, high temperatures alone can't explain the precipitous erosion of Greenland's ice. Unseasonably warm summers appear to be abetted by microbes and algae that grow on the increasingly wet surface of the ice sheet, producing pigments that boost the ice's absorption of solar energy. Soot and dust that blow from lower latitudes and darken the ice also appear to be playing a role, as are changes in weather patterns that increasingly steer warm, moist air over the vulnerable ice.

2012 melting showed it wasn't sun falling on darkened snow that drove the melt—in fact, the skies were pretty cloudy over much of the island during the two melting events. Instead, it was warm temperatures and rainfall, provided by big "blocking" high-pressure systems that kept the mild weather in place. As the Arctic warms, such melt episodes are likely to "occur much more frequently in the future," says Dirk van As of the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland in Copenhagen. Earlier this year, climate scientist Marco Tedesco of Columbia University published data supporting an earlier proposal that the retreat of Arctic sea ice has disrupted the polar jet stream, causing weather systems to meander more slowly from west to east.

DarkIce.png
 

sayak83

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How much heat and where

Total extra heat gained by earth due to global warming effects from 1970-2010 is 275*10^21 joules of energy. USA, at its current electricity consumption rate will take 20,000 years to consume as much energy. 94% of this added energy has been absorbed by the ocean's, melting of ice and warming of continents account for 3% and heating atmosphere account for 1% of this heat.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Well, people did fight and argue against the sun being shown to them as the center of the solar system and claimed the telescope was lying. It seems to be hardly any different with global warming.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Garbage based on speculative modeling. Never was any "Global Warming" (this nonsense has been going on since 1999, BTW) so those wishing to manipulate the rest of the world came up with a more nebulous hoax called "Climate Change". I challenge you to show me one person whose death certificate reads, "...cause of death: global warming and/or climate change...". As far as that goes I dare you to concretely prove that one acre of land has been damaged or one animal harmed by any of this supposed cataclysmic happening. Good luck.




Mr. Gore made millions of dollars selling this pseudo-scientific snake oil to an obviously large number of gullible humans (check out his very big and expansive carbon footprint). Well played, sir.

Hmm, let's see, should I trust the consensus of the international scientific community or the regurgitations of random Joe Schmoes who's skepticism is based solely on what their idolized political pundits have instructed them to believe?
 
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Eliab ben Benjamin

Active Member
Premium Member
not so funny
Visitors are running out of time to see New Zealand's dwindling southern glaciers, which are becoming a safety hazard.

The central Southern Alps has lost a quarter of its ice in recent decades, and stands to lose another 50 to 60 per cent.

It meant its spectacular glaciers were shrinking at an unprecedented rate, some having lost several kilometers of ice this century.

It was a topic discussed at the Sustainable Summits conference at Mt Cook this week.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
While Trump tries to wash off all responsibility for global climate change, the reality of the science behind it and it's damaging impact remains true as it ever was.
globalT_1951-1980base.png


https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Current rise is already at 1 degree Celsius.

In this thread I will try to show how well validated the scientific case for human caused warming and its impact is.

Don't worry, The next exploding Caldera, Meteor strike, Massive corona ejection, or influenza pandemic will kill off enough people that Global warming will stop. According to Hawkins AI will kill us off long before we over heat the world.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
The increasingly rapid rate of ice loss from Greenland

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/great-greenland-meltdown

In Greenland, the great melt is on. The decline of Greenland's ice sheet is a familiar story, but until recently, massive calving glaciers that carry ice from the interior and crumble into the sea got most of the attention. Between 2000 and 2008, such "dynamic" changes accounted for about as much mass loss as surface melting and shifts in snowfall. But the balance tipped dramatically between 2011 and 2014, when satellite data and modeling suggested that 70% of the annual 269 billion tons of snow and ice shed by Greenland was lost through surface melt, not calving. The accelerating surface melt has doubled Greenland's contribution to global sea level rise since 1992–2011, to 0.74 mm per year. "Nobody expected the ice sheet to lose so much mass so quickly," says geophysicist Isabella Velicogna of the University of California, Irvine. "Things are happening a lot faster than we expected."

Although the Arctic is warming twice as fast as the rest of the world, high temperatures alone can't explain the precipitous erosion of Greenland's ice. Unseasonably warm summers appear to be abetted by microbes and algae that grow on the increasingly wet surface of the ice sheet, producing pigments that boost the ice's absorption of solar energy. Soot and dust that blow from lower latitudes and darken the ice also appear to be playing a role, as are changes in weather patterns that increasingly steer warm, moist air over the vulnerable ice.

2012 melting showed it wasn't sun falling on darkened snow that drove the melt—in fact, the skies were pretty cloudy over much of the island during the two melting events. Instead, it was warm temperatures and rainfall, provided by big "blocking" high-pressure systems that kept the mild weather in place. As the Arctic warms, such melt episodes are likely to "occur much more frequently in the future," says Dirk van As of the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland in Copenhagen. Earlier this year, climate scientist Marco Tedesco of Columbia University published data supporting an earlier proposal that the retreat of Arctic sea ice has disrupted the polar jet stream, causing weather systems to meander more slowly from west to east.

DarkIce.png
Melting Glacier Reveals Ancient Tree Stumps

Warmer earth is not a phenomenon. Tree stumps were found under the glaciers of Canada.

The earth IS warming, but is it man made or a a cycle?

If there was trees where there were glaciers in Canada, what started the warming cycle 7,000 years ago? Caribou poop?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Hmm, let's see, should I trust the consensus of the international scientific community or the regurgitations of random Joe Schmoes who's skepticism is based solely on what their idolized political pundits have instructed them to believe?
Hmmm.... should I trust the scientific community that played with the numbers? Or trust the rest of the scientific community that doesn't agree with the position?

  • Model outputs published in successive IPCC reports since 1990 project a doubling of CO2, could cause warming of up to 6degrees C by 2100. Instead, global warming ceased around the end of the twentieth century and was followed (since 1997) by 19 years of stable temperature.
  • No close correlation exists between temperature variation over the past 150 years and human-related CO2 emissions. The parallelism of the temperature an CO2 increase between about `980 and 2000 could be due to chance and does not necessarily indicate caution.
  • Forward projections of solar cyclicality imply the next few decades may be marked by global cooling rather than warming despite continuing CO2 emissions
Ido, C.D., Carter, R.M., Singer, S.F. 2013 Executive Summary, Climate Change Reconsidered II: Physical Science. Chicago, IL
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Hmmm.... should I trust the scientific community that played with the numbers? Or trust the rest of the scientific community that doesn't agree with the position?

  • Model outputs published in successive IPCC reports since 1990 project a doubling of CO2, could cause warming of up to 6degrees C by 2100. Instead, global warming ceased around the end of the twentieth century and was followed (since 1997) by 19 years of stable temperature.
  • No close correlation exists between temperature variation over the past 150 years and human-related CO2 emissions. The parallelism of the temperature an CO2 increase between about `980 and 2000 could be due to chance and does not necessarily indicate caution.
  • Forward projections of solar cyclicality imply the next few decades may be marked by global cooling rather than warming despite continuing CO2 emissions
Ido, C.D., Carter, R.M., Singer, S.F. 2013 Executive Summary, Climate Change Reconsidered II: Physical Science. Chicago, IL

So you DO agree that Global Climate Change is Real, then?

Your only beef, is the cause?

Of course-- such a complex system has to only have ONE (1) cause.... right?

Because it would be impossible that there could be multiple, additive causal elements at play...... RIGHT?

Question:

If your house is on fire-- is it really a good idea to be tossing gasoline in through the flaming windows?
 
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