Reality of global warming

[Kuzcotopia]

Garbage based on speculative modeling. Never was any "Global Warming" (this nonsense has been going on since 1999, BTW) so those wishing to manipulate the rest of the world came up with a more nebulous hoax called "Climate Change". I challenge you to show me one person whose death certificate reads, "...cause of death: global warming and/or climate change...". As far as that goes I dare you to concretely prove that one acre of land has been damaged or one animal harmed by any of this supposed cataclysmic happening. Good luck.




Mr. Gore made millions of dollars selling this pseudo-scientific snake oil to an obviously large number of gullible humans (check out his very big and expansive carbon footprint). Well played, sir.

Good article on how to US miliarty uses climate science all the time to understand the threat to global stability.

Military Leaders Urge Trump to See Climate as a Security Threat

Impacts of climate change have a destabilizing effect everywhere, that can cause tremendous death and destruction. Think about how destabilizing a basic food shortage in Tunisia was to the Arab world as a whole, just a few years ago. Plenty of people died, and are still dying, in places like Syria and South Sudan, but none of their death certificates are going to say "food riot in Tunisia."

You line of reasoning goes like this:

"My friend died in a car accident because the brakes failed. But the cause of death was listed as "severe head trauma." Therefore, the brake failure had nothing to do with his death."

Or I can make it simpler:

"It doesn't affect me personally right now at this exact moment, therefore it doesn't exist and everyone who actually studies this is wrong and lying."

Well played sir. . . I guess.

 

[Kenny]

So you DO agree that Global Climate Change is Real, then?

Your only beef, is the cause?

Of course-- such a complex system has to only have ONE (1) cause.... right?

Because it would be impossible that there could be multiple, additive causal elements at play...... RIGHT?

Question:

If your house is on fire-- is it really a good idea to be tossing gasoline in through the flaming windows?

Is this all fake statements

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

The earth IS warming, but is it man made or a a cycle?

False Dichotomy Logical Fallacy.

 

[Kenny]

False Dichotomy Logical Fallacy.

??? Hardly.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

??? Hardly.

There has always be a somewhat unpredictable glacial cycle.
However Global warming is overlaid on that, and does not follow the same tratrajectory.

Parts of the world will become uninhabitable, through drought and because their land will become swamped by the sea. This will even be true in parts of the USA..
The displaced populations will also become a very serious security threat.
And humanitarian crisis.
Trump and his ilk are like king Canute.

 

[BSM1]

I don't care Mr. Gores paycheck

poor play on your part

I think you have sorely missed the point. His paycheck was produced by the fraud he perpetrated on people.

Hmm, let's see, should I trust the consensus of the international scientific community or the regurgitations of random Joe Schmoes who's skepticism is based solely on what their idolized political pundits have instructed them to believe?

Accept my challenge.

 

[BSM1]

Good article on how to US miliarty uses climate science all the time to understand the threat to global stability.

Military Leaders Urge Trump to See Climate as a Security Threat

Impacts of climate change have a destabilizing effect everywhere, that can cause tremendous death and destruction. Think about how destabilizing a basic food shortage in Tunisia was to the Arab world as a whole, just a few years ago. Plenty of people died, and are still dying, in places like Syria and South Sudan, but none of their death certificates are going to say "food riot in Tunisia."

You line of reasoning goes like this:

"My friend died in a car accident because the brakes failed. But the cause of death was listed as "severe head trauma." Therefore, the brake failure had nothing to do with his death."

Or I can make it simpler:

"It doesn't affect me personally right now at this exact moment, therefore it doesn't exist and everyone who actually studies this is wrong and lying."

Well played sir. . . I guess.

Smoke and mirrors at best.

There has always be a somewhat unpredictable glacial cycle.
However Global warming is overlaid on that, and does not follow the same tratrajectory.

Parts of the world will become uninhabitable, through drought and because their land will become swamped by the sea. This will even be true in parts of the USA..
The displaced populations will also become a very serious security threat.
And humanitarian crisis.
Trump and his ilk are like king Canute.

Prove it.

 

[sayak83]

Melting Glacier Reveals Ancient Tree Stumps

Warmer earth is not a phenomenon. Tree stumps were found under the glaciers of Canada.

The earth IS warming, but is it man made or a a cycle?

If there was trees where there were glaciers in Canada, what started the warming cycle 7,000 years ago? Caribou poop?

It's entirely caused by human activity. Ancient climatic fluctuations are caused by changes in solar Flux entering the atmosphere and volcanic and erosional activity. All these are well known and well accounted for and these would be causing the climate to cool right now. Instead, due to CO2 generation, it's warming.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page4.php


Firstly, the hypothetical natural cycle would have to explain the observed "fingerprints" of greenhouse gas-induced warming. Even if, for the sake of argument, we were to discount the direct measurements showing an increasedgreenhouse effect, other lines of evidence point to anthropogenic causes. For example, the troposphere (the lowest part of the atmosphere) is warming, but the levels above, from the stratosphere up, are cooling, as less radiation is escaping out to space. This rules out cycles related to the Sun, as solar influences would warm the entire atmosphere in a uniform fashion. The only explanation that makes sense is greenhouse gases.

What about an internal cycle, perhaps from volcanoes or the ocean, that releases massive amounts of greenhouse gases? This wouldn't make sense either, not only because scientists keep track of volcanic and oceanic emissions of CO2 and know that they are small compared to anthropogenic emissions, but also because CO2 from fossil fuels has its own fingerprints. Its isotopic signature is depleted in the carbon-13 isotope, which explains why the atmospheric ratio of carbon-12 to carbon-13 has been going up as anthropogenic carbon dioxide goes up. Additionally, atmospheric oxygen (O2) is decreasing at the same rate that CO2 is increasing, because oxygen is consumed when fossil fuels combust.

A natural cycle that fits all these fingerprints is nearly unfathomable. However, that's not all the cycle would have to explain. It would also have to tell us whyanthropogenic greenhouse gases are not having an effect. Either a century of basic physics and chemistry studying the radiative properties of greenhouse gases would have to be proven wrong, or the natural cycle would have to be unbelievably complex to prevent such dramatic anthropogenic emissions from warming the planet.


The human fingerprint in global warming


The first four pieces of evidence show that humans are raising CO2 levels:

1. Humans are currently emitting around 30 billion tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere.
2. Oxygen levels are falling as if carbon is being burned to create carbon dioxide.
3. Fossil carbon is building up in the atmosphere. (We know this because the two types of carbon have different chemical properties.)
4. Corals show that fossil carbon has recently risen sharply.

Another two observations show that CO2 is trapping more heat:

1. Satellites measure less heat escaping to space at the precise wavelengths which CO2 absorbs.
2. Surface measurements find this heat is returning to Earth to warm the surface.

The last four indicators show that the observed pattern of warming is consistent with what is predicted to occur during greenhouse warming:

1. An increased greenhouse effect would make nights warm faster than days, and this is what has been observed.
2. If the warming is due to solar activity, then the upper atmosphere (the stratosphere) should warm along with the rest of the atmosphere. But if the warming is due to the greenhouse effect, the stratosphere should cool because of the heat being trapped in the lower atmosphere (the troposphere). Satellite measurements show that the stratosphere is cooling.
3. This combination of a warming troposphere and cooling stratosphereshould cause the tropopause, which separates them, to rise. This has also been observed.
4. It was predicted that the ionosphere would shrink, and it is indeed shrinking.

 

[YmirGF]

Hypothetically, climate change is happening.
Nobodies cause of death would be "climate change".
Their cause of death would have been caused by climate change, not climate change itself.
So your "challenge" is entirely ridiculous and distractionary.

I say we take him out back and kick the living **** out of him until he repents.

 

[sayak83]

75% of all people killed by heat waves can be directly attributed to global warming.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/human-a...r-three-out-of-four-heat-extremes-study-finds

The results suggest that 75% of daily temperature extremes that we experience across the world today are attributable to climate change. Similarly, 18% of days with rainfall above a certain level wouldn’t have occurred on a planet that wasn’t warming.
“If a day with temperature exceeding a certain threshold used to occur once in three years, and now occurs once every year because of human-induced warming then human influence has tripled the probability of such an event occurring, and two out of three events are attributable to human influence.

It’s the same as smoking increasing the risk of dying from lung cancer. One might be lucky and be fine, and it’s hard to determine the exact cause of death. But it’s clear that smoking increases the risk of dying from cancer, and some fraction of those death can, therefore, be attributed to that cause.”

Now I will ask @BSM1 to find me a death certificate that says "death caused by smoking".


At 2C warming, events expected once every 30 years now will begin happening every 10 to 20 years instead, the paper notes.

Averaged across the globe, almost all extreme daily temperatures and around 40% of heavy rainfall events will be attributable to climate change with 2C of warming.

Killer Heat Grows Hotter around the World

 

[sayak83]

Hmmm.... should I trust the scientific community that played with the numbers? Or trust the rest of the scientific community that doesn't agree with the position?

• Model outputs published in successive IPCC reports since 1990 project a doubling of CO2, could cause warming of up to 6degrees C by 2100. Instead, global warming ceased around the end of the twentieth century and was followed (since 1997) by 19 years of stable temperature.
• No close correlation exists between temperature variation over the past 150 years and human-related CO2 emissions. The parallelism of the temperature an CO2 increase between about `980 and 2000 could be due to chance and does not necessarily indicate caution.
• Forward projections of solar cyclicality imply the next few decades may be marked by global cooling rather than warming despite continuing CO2 emissions

Ido, C.D., Carter, R.M., Singer, S.F. 2013 Executive Summary, Climate Change Reconsidered II: Physical Science. Chicago, IL

There has never been a pause in the global warming trend. It's the deniers who are basically lying to you
Conservative media can't stop denying there was no global warming 'pause' | Dana Nuccitelli

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

 

[Kenny]

There has never been a pause in the global warming trend. It's the deniers who are basically lying to you
Conservative media can't stop denying there was no global warming 'pause' | Dana Nuccitelli

http://www.int-res.com/articles/cr2003/23/c023p001.pdf

Has Global Warming come to a Halt?

The BIGGEST problem is that people forget that projections are based in "possibility" with highs and lows and then it is adjusted with other factors that come into play or when their projections are flat out wrong. (As noted in previous post)

To say that global warming has to do everything with the human footprint is to forget cycles, solar flares, what CO2 increase does to the planet to then turn things around and a host of other factors which makes one wonder what created global warming when there was no human footprint.

 

[BSM1]

Hypothetically, climate change is happening.
Nobodies cause of death would be "climate change".
Their cause of death would have been caused by climate change, not climate change itself.
So your "challenge" is entirely ridiculous and distractionary.

Sooo...that would be a no?

75% of all people killed by heat waves can be directly attributed to global warming.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/human-a...r-three-out-of-four-heat-extremes-study-finds

The results suggest that 75% of daily temperature extremes that we experience across the world today are attributable to climate change. Similarly, 18% of days with rainfall above a certain level wouldn’t have occurred on a planet that wasn’t warming.
“If a day with temperature exceeding a certain threshold used to occur once in three years, and now occurs once every year because of human-induced warming then human influence has tripled the probability of such an event occurring, and two out of three events are attributable to human influence.

It’s the same as smoking increasing the risk of dying from lung cancer. One might be lucky and be fine, and it’s hard to determine the exact cause of death. But it’s clear that smoking increases the risk of dying from cancer, and some fraction of those death can, therefore, be attributed to that cause.”

Now I will ask @BSM1 to find me a death certificate that says "death caused by smoking".


At 2C warming, events expected once every 30 years now will begin happening every 10 to 20 years instead, the paper notes.

Averaged across the globe, almost all extreme daily temperatures and around 40% of heavy rainfall events will be attributable to climate change with 2C of warming.

Killer Heat Grows Hotter around the World

Smoking can be correlated to lung cancer by the damage done to the lungs by cigarette smoke. Sooo...you would be in the no proof column also?

 

[metis]

There has always be a somewhat unpredictable glacial cycle.
However Global warming is overlaid on that, and does not follow the same tratrajectory.

As a long-term reader of Scientific American for just over 50 years, I've seen the evolution on this process, and over these decades the scientific community has gradually discounted other causes that could account for what we are witnessing. Carbon emissions, mainly from carbon dioxide and methane gas, are the main culprits.

His paycheck was produced by the fraud he perpetrated on people.

The reality is that Gore's information actually was spot-on, but what the dishonest right did was to take his "hockey-stick graph", which indeed was misleading but still accurate, and then use that as a stick to beat down all the rest of the information that we well know is quite accurate.

It's important to read scientific analysis on this, not politicians with political agendas.

 

[sayak83]

Sooo...that would be a no?




Smoking can be correlated to lung cancer by the damage done to the lungs by cigarette smoke. Sooo...you would be in the no proof column also?

Extreme heat events are strongly correlated with heat deaths.
Global warming is responsible for 75% of extreme heat events as shown by science.
Proved.

 

[sayak83]

http://www.int-res.com/articles/cr2003/23/c023p001.pdf

Has Global Warming come to a Halt?

The BIGGEST problem is that people forget that projections are based in "possibility" with highs and lows and then it is adjusted with other factors that come into play or when their projections are flat out wrong. (As noted in previous post)

To say that global warming has to do everything with the human footprint is to forget cycles, solar flares, what CO2 increase does to the planet to then turn things around and a host of other factors which makes one wonder what created global warming when there was no human footprint.

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Umm sorry, data till 2017 (and not conveniently cut off at 2010) unambiguously shows the continued and increasing pace of global warming.
Temperature record - Wikipedia


Indeed all the arguments in your link is based in spurious data and logic and are debunked in the links I posted take a look.

These are not projections, they are actual temperature record showing continued and accelerated warming.
Please point out the "stagnation"
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A2.gif

As climate record continues to show, mean global temperature continues to rise in a staircase "stepwise" fashion with 5-6 year halts and then another rapid jump to a higher temperature level and so on, as can be seen throughout the last 50 years.

So global warming is accelerating and as demonstrated in my previous response to you, is happening due to CO2 pumping by humans. Any further doubts?

 

[sayak83]

Chart of temperatures.. First row is temperature anomaly of that year and the second is the five year mean. In degree centigrade. As anybody can see its rising. The anomaly mean was in the 0.2 level in 1980s, 0.3 level in early 1990, 0.5 in late 1990, 0.6 in 2000nds, and now 0.7 in 2010s. Data without frills.
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A2.txt
Year
1982 0.13 0.23
1983 0.30 0.20
1984 0.15 0.18
1985 0.11 0.22
1986 0.19 0.24
1987 0.33 0.26
1988 0.40 0.33
1989 0.28 0.37
1990 0.44 0.35
1991 0.42 0.32
1992 0.22 0.33
1993 0.24 0.33
1994 0.32 0.32
1995 0.45 0.37
1996 0.35 0.44
1997 0.48 0.46
1998 0.63 0.46
1999 0.42 0.50
2000 0.42 0.53
2001 0.54 0.53
2002 0.63 0.55
2003 0.62 0.61
2004 0.54 0.62
2005 0.69 0.63
2006 0.63 0.61
2007 0.66 0.63
2008 0.53 0.64
2009 0.64 0.63
2010 0.71 0.63
2011 0.60 0.65
2012 0.63 0.67
2013 0.66 0.70
2014 0.74 0.77
2015 0.86 *
2016 0.98 *

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Chart of temperatures.. First row is temperature anomaly of that year and the second is the five year mean. In degree centigrade. As anybody can see its rising. The anomaly mean was in the 0.2 level in 1980s, 0.3 level in early 1990, 0.5 in late 1990, 0.6 in 2000nds, and now 0.7 in 2010s. Data without frills.
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A2.txt
Year
1982 0.13 0.23
1983 0.30 0.20
1984 0.15 0.18
1985 0.11 0.22
1986 0.19 0.24
1987 0.33 0.26
1988 0.40 0.33
1989 0.28 0.37
1990 0.44 0.35
1991 0.42 0.32
1992 0.22 0.33
1993 0.24 0.33
1994 0.32 0.32
1995 0.45 0.37
1996 0.35 0.44
1997 0.48 0.46
1998 0.63 0.46
1999 0.42 0.50
2000 0.42 0.53
2001 0.54 0.53
2002 0.63 0.55
2003 0.62 0.61
2004 0.54 0.62
2005 0.69 0.63
2006 0.63 0.61
2007 0.66 0.63
2008 0.53 0.64
2009 0.64 0.63
2010 0.71 0.63
2011 0.60 0.65
2012 0.63 0.67
2013 0.66 0.70
2014 0.74 0.77
2015 0.86 *
2016 0.98 *

So what, that the temperature has risen almost one degree C over the last one hundred and thirty years has never been in dispute, blaming humans as the predominate cause is!

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Smoke and mirrors at best.





Prove it.

I do not need to the scientists have already done so.

Have you though why you have joined the deniers ranks.
Was it lack of interlect, or the reassurance of ignorance and stupidity or the instincts of an ostrich that appealed to you more

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

So what, that the temperature has risen almost one degree C over the last one hundred and thirty years has never been in dispute, blaming humans as the predominate cause is!

If you choose a narrow enough scale, you can make that graph seem like a flat line.

Unfortunately we are only talking about a global rise of a few degrees to make the world unsustainable for much of the planets ecosystem.