Reasoning On Sin?

[Faithofchristian]

Just because you acknowledge something as non existant doesn't mean you can't understand what it is the idea is supposed to be about. Such as, I have a pretty good understanding of Game of Thrones and can explain why I think Jamie Lannister will be the true hero of it all, but none of it is real.




That doesn't prove the existence of free will. It may just be that every thing we do is the result of web of cause and effect.

I'll never be able to violate the laws of physics, but god's law I violate on a regular basis, and often encourage it.

Why can't we hold them accountable? We do it to various drug addicts, even though some drugs are addictive enough to enslave a user into compulsive usage and engaging in crime in order to obtain money to obtain their next fix..

Many Christians have disagreed with this position, and that god does predestine some for heaven. One of the reasons being that god knows everything, including the future, so you can't do anything he doesn't already know will happen.

We are instinct driven animals. And like other instinctively social animals, we also have group rules and behaviors and consequences for breaking those rules.
All you article did was establish how little the author knows and understands about how the world around us effects us and how our genes and culture prime us into certain behaviors and traits. And if you cannot see where your limits are, you cannot extend them.

I'm curious to know how you know, you can't do anything God doesn't already know will happen.

What if God chooses not to know what will happen, before it happens.

Why is it people seem to think, just because he's God, that God has no right to make choices for himself. Whether to know things before they happen or not to know things before they happen ?

You know there are times God chosen not to know before they happen.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What if God chooses not to know what will happen, before it happens.

Then it would mean the events would still have to play out as intended, god would just turn a blind eye to it to chose not to know what will happen. But that would mean he doesn't know, which means he could not be omniscient.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Then it would mean the events would still have to play out as intended, god would just turn a blind eye to it to chose not to know what will happen. But that would mean he doesn't know, which means he could not be omniscient.

No, that just means, That God chooses not to know things before they happen.
It doesn't mean God turning a blind eye, it just means, God wants to see what people will do without him knowing what they will do.

Just because God is omniscient, does not mean that God can not make choices,of knowing and not knowing.

People say God knows things before they happen, That's people saying it,
and not God.
Why is it that people seem to think they can put limitations on God, what God can do and not do.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It doesn't mean God turning a blind eye, it just means, God wants to see what people will do without him knowing what they will do.

Then that means he does not know everything. And if he doesn't know everything, he is not omniscient. And how can prophecy work unless god knows what is going to happen, because the circumstances and situations that lead to the fulfillment of prophecy must come to fruition.
Either god knows everything, and free will does not exist, or god cannot be rightfully described as omniscient.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Then that means he does not know everything. And if he doesn't know everything, he is not omniscient. And how can prophecy work unless god knows what is going to happen, because the circumstances and situations that lead to the fulfillment of prophecy must come to fruition.
Either god knows everything, and free will does not exist, or god cannot be rightfully described as omniscient.

No that just means there are times, when God can choose not to know, it doesn't mean God dose not know everything,
it just means that God can choose at times not to know things before they happen.

 

[Woberts]

No that just means there are times, when God can choose not to know, it doesn't mean God dose not know everything,
it just means that God can choose at times not to know things before they happen.

Not to preach semantics, but you just said God can choose not to know, and then you said he does know everything.
That's not how it works.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Then that means he does not know everything. And if he doesn't know everything, he is not omniscient. And how can prophecy work unless god knows what is going to happen, because the circumstances and situations that lead to the fulfillment of prophecy must come to fruition.
Either god knows everything, and free will does not exist, or god cannot be rightfully described as omniscient.

No, it means nothing of the sort.

This argument has been tried before, but like the omnipotence paradox, it's given by people without the ability to think issues through.

"Can a omnipotent God create a boulder that he cannot lift?"
The common thinking is that either he can't (in which case there is something he cannot do), or he can, in which case there is something beyond his power. That is the common thinking. However, it's not true. There are three distinct examples of otherwise. (1) Jesus is said to take on our nature, as in a willing suspension of God's own power. (2) Human potential, a human starts out weak, and is able to build mind or muscle over time. (3) Evolution. Or don't you believe in evolution?

Either god knows everything, and free will does not exist, or god cannot be rightfully described as omniscient.

Likewise what you said is a common argument, with likewise common thinking. But (1) an omniscient God is able to see all possible future paths, not just one set course. This is precisely why free will exists. With four or eight or however many options, God can know exactly the consequences of all choices. But to make it for us is not his to do. (2) Things like destiny and prophecy are deeply misunderstood.
RPT#277 - Prophets and Prophecy - Roleplaying Tips
First, as I said in part 1, prophecy is branched, like a tree.
But second... well, lemme tell you a story. Roughly eight years ago, I visited an old used book store, and bought some books about classical art. I also received some similar books for Christmas, years back, as a result of the choices of my parents. I chose a job working with someone who liked art. And one day, a little before Christmas, I found these books while cleaning. I had a box from stuff I bought a Amazon a week before. There was scissors in my desk from when I need to cut stuff. There was wrapping paper out today and tape. I spent basically nothing getting her a nice present.

Destiny isn't about some grand prophecy outside your control. Destiny is about the web made from choices you make, forming itself into a pattern.

Not to preach semantics, but you just said God can choose not to know, and then you said he does know everything. That's not how it works.

An omnipotent being is able to change the extent of their own abilities. That is how it works.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Not to preach semantics, but you just said God can choose not to know, and then you said he does know everything.
That's not how it works.

That is how it works.

Just because God can know everything, does not mean that God can not choose at times not to know every little move people makes.
There maybe times when God may choose to know and not to know.

Just because you or anyone else, thinks just because he's God that he has to know everything.does not make it so.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Just because you or anyone else, thinks just because he's God that he has to know everything.does not make it so.

The Christian god is very often and frequently described as omniscient, meaning all knowing. And it's Christians who tend to make this claim.

Just because God can know everything, does not mean that God can not choose at times not to know every little move people makes.

You can read the spoilers of a movie or not. It won't change the ending.

 

[InChrist]

Then that means he does not know everything. And if he doesn't know everything, he is not omniscient. And how can prophecy work unless god knows what is going to happen, because the circumstances and situations that lead to the fulfillment of prophecy must come to fruition.
Either god knows everything, and free will does not exist, or god cannot be rightfully described as omniscient.

I believe God does know everything and is omniscient, yet this does not prevent or infringe on human free will. The scriptures present both truths; God's sovereign omniscience and human freewill. The ability of God to see and know the choices humans make... does not mean He in the One causing or controlling those choices. The person freely acts of their own volition.

 

[Woberts]

That is how it works.

Just because God can know everything, does not mean that God can not choose at times not to know every little move people makes.
There maybe times when God may choose to know and not to know.

Just because you or anyone else, thinks just because he's God that he has to know everything.does not make it so.

>mfw I realize I was wrong my entire life, and God is omniscient (sometimes).

 

[Faithofchristian]

The Christian god is very often and frequently described as omniscient, meaning all knowing. And it's Christians who tend to make this claim.

You can read the spoilers of a movie or not. It won't change the ending.

As you can see, I am not making that claim nor am I one of them.

Just because God is omniscient, does not mean that God can not choose not to know things before they happen.

There are times that God has chosen not to know things before they happen.

You do know what the word ( till ) means.
It means a less formal way of saying
( Until ) like saying I can't be there
( Till ) tommorow ( until ) tomorrow.

Like saying, I didn't know he was going to do that ( till ) it was found in him.

Now in the book of Ezekiel 28:15--"You was perfect in your ways from the day that you was created, till Iniquity was found in you"

Notice here the word ( till )
Therefore God did not know that Satan was going to rebellion against him ( till ) ( until )
Iniquity was found in Satan.

So how long, do you suppose Satan was poltting his rebellion against God, (till) (until) it became evidence what Satan was up to ?

So God didn't know ( till ) ( until ) it became evidence what Satan was up to.

Therefore, there are times that God may choose not to know things ( till ) ( until ) they happen.

 

[Faithofchristian]

>mfw I realize I was wrong my entire life, and God is omniscient (sometimes).

Maybe that's because you listen to much what a Pastor, Preacher or people will say, instead of going and see what God has to say in his word.

That's what happens when people start quoting what Pastor's, Preachers and people will say, instead of checking it out to see, does God really say this in his Word ?

 

[Fool]

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1) What in your opinion is Sin?

Two types:

1. willful wrong, premeditated error, wrong based on malice.
2. wrong from ignorance, inexperience.

2) What in your opinion would be the opposite of Sin?

empathy

3) Is there another term that one could plug into scripture replacing the term 'sin', as an equal term of usage?

wrong, error

 

[pearl]

Not to preach semantics, but you just said God can choose not to know, and then you said he does know everything.
That's not how it works.

If God is beyond/outside of time then past and future are simultaneously present.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I believe God does know everything and is omniscient, yet this does not prevent or infringe on human free will. The scriptures present both truths; God's sovereign omniscience and human freewill. The ability of God to see and know the choices humans make... does not mean He in the One causing or controlling those choices. The person freely acts of their own volition.

That doesn't logically follow though. If he knows everything, then we cannot act in a way that is counter to what he knows is going to happen. That terminates the belief in free will. If we have free will, then god cannot know in advance what we are going to do. That destroys the idea that god is omniscient.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Therefore, there are times that God may choose not to know things ( till ) ( until ) they happen.

Then that disqualifies god from being omniscient as he would not know everything.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Then that disqualifies god from being omniscient as he would not know everything.

It does not disqualify God from being omniscient, just because God chooses not to know things before they happen.

Does not take away from God being omniscient.
No more than taking gas out of a car, does not take away from it being a car.its still a car.
No more than taking a fish out of the water, does not take away from it being a fish. It's still a fish.

Therefore just because God chooses not to know things before they happen, does not take away from God being omniscient. God is still omniscient.

 

[Etritonakin]

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1) What in your opinion is Sin?


2) What in your opinion would be the opposite of Sin?


3) Is there another term that one could plug into scripture replacing the term 'sin', as an equal term of usage?

Son is the transgression of the law.
The law is the Ten Commandments and any currently-applicable judgments under the law (some judgments change -such as which foods are to be eaten, what is to be done to sinners/stoning/death penalty, etc.)
The commandments are based on God's nature and the nature of the creation.
They are called the law of love -as keeping them would make the world a paradise and prevent most of our problems.

Some of what God tells man to do over time -or what God allows man to experience -some of which has been rather harsh and unpleasant -is part of the process which will cause us all to willingly and joyfully obey God later.

Error and obedience to that which is not of God are sin. There is the basic law which does not change, and law/judgments given according to present state or situation.

We can sin by doing wrong and by obeying other authority rather than God.
We are to obey human authority so long as it does not mean disobeying God.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

God chooses not to know things

God is still omniscient

That doesn't logically follow because the definition of omniscient is to know everything. So you are saying that god both does not know everything but does know everything.