Reasoning On Sin?

[Faithofchristian]

Son is the transgression of the law.
The law is the Ten Commandments and any currently-applicable judgments under the law (some judgments change -such as which foods are to be eaten, what is to be done to sinners/stoning/death penalty, etc.)
The commandments are based on God's nature and the nature of the creation.
They are called the law of love -as keeping them would make the world a paradise and prevent most of our problems.

If I may ask, how do you know for sure it's the Ten commandments that's being spoken of in the book of
1st John 3:4--Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law"

There is a law being spoken of, But it's not the Ten commandments that's being spoken of in 1st John 3:4.

If you back up to Verse's 2 & 3, and then read down to Verse 4, Then you will find what law John is speaking about.

 

[MonkeyFire]

I believe the equal to sin is badness, like dis-pleasure.

 

[LuisDantas]

1) What in your opinion is Sin?

A concept that people should accept the responsibility for using, like any other.

Unfortunately, also a concept that is abused far too often.

2) What in your opinion would be the opposite of Sin?

Wisdom.

3) Is there another term that one could plug into scripture replacing the term 'sin', as an equal term of usage?

Not equal, but far superior terms certainly exist. "Foolishness" might fit.

 

[InChrist]

That doesn't logically follow though. If he knows everything, then we cannot act in a way that is counter to what he knows is going to happen. That terminates the belief in free will. If we have free will, then god cannot know in advance what we are going to do. That destroys the idea that god is omniscient.

I don't believe knowing equates to controlling. God is in the eternal realm outside of the human time frame, so He sees and knows all that happens in time (beginning to end), yet our actions and choices are our own. It it perfectly logical. There is no reason that God cannot view what happens from His position, while each person makes freewill choices.

 

[Prestor John]

1) What in your opinion is Sin?

Operating outside Eternal Law.

2) What in your opinion would be the opposite of Sin?

Living according to Eternal Law.

3) Is there another term that one could plug into scripture replacing the term 'sin', as an equal term of usage?

Offensive or Violation

 

[QuestioningMind]

Nope. We were all given free will, the ability to make our own choices. Some choices...are just...bad. And imperfection makes bad choices, easier to commit.

If someone can make a bad choice that makes them imperfect. An perfect being would be incapable of making a bad choice. Thus anyone who makes a bad choice was not created perfectly.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

If someone can make a bad choice that makes them imperfect. An perfect being would be incapable of making a bad choice. Thus anyone who makes a bad choice was not created perfectly.

Perfect does not mean robotic.

And Perfect does not mean one can't be inexperienced. Otherwise, no young ones could be perfect.

Perfection — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

 

[Woberts]

If God is beyond/outside of time then past and future are simultaneously present.

This isn't about time. This is about paradoxical statements on God's supposed omniscience.

 

[Woberts]

Otherwise, no young ones could be perfect.

They're not.

 

[Woberts]

Maybe that's because you listen to much what a Pastor, Preacher or people will say, instead of going and see what God has to say in his word.

That's what happens when people start quoting what Pastor's, Preachers and people will say, instead of checking it out to see, does God really say this in his Word ?

Good job noticing my blatant sarcasm.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Perfect does not mean robotic.

And Perfect does not mean one can't be inexperienced. Otherwise, no young ones could be perfect.

Perfection — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

Nope, perfect does not mean robotic. But it does mean without flaw. And someone who makes bad choices is flawed. A young person who makes mistakes because of inexperience isn't perfect.

 

[Shadow Link]

Not equal, but far superior terms certainly exist. "Foolishness" might fit.

I think "ignorance" relates best. "Man being born into sin" properly equates to "when man is born, he knows nothing."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't believe knowing equates to controlling.

It doesn't. Not necessarily anyways. You can know of something created, and then you can know something because you created and control it.

He sees and knows all that happens in time (beginning to end), yet our actions and choices are our own.

If he knows that that happen in time, from beginning to end, our actions cannot be our own because we didn't actually freely chose them because god already knew what we would do, and if it's how he knows it will happen it can happen no other way.

It it perfectly logical.

No, it's not. It's like seeing an electrical circuit and claiming the electricity flowed freely about every which way it wanted to go, while the person who designed and those who understand what is going on know the electricity could not flow any other way than what it did.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Nope, perfect does not mean robotic. But it does mean without flaw. And someone who makes bad choices is flawed. A young person who makes mistakes because of inexperience isn't perfect.

How would a young person who's perfect, have perfect wisdom? That only comes from experience. So "someone who makes bad choices" could only be inexperienced, not necessarily anything more.

We've had this discussion before.

If a perfect person eats something poisonous, they'll get sick or die. How would they 'automatically know'? Where do you get that from?

Or do you think that a perfect person's excrement would 'smell like roses'?

 

[QuestioningMind]

How would a young person who's perfect, have perfect wisdom? That only comes from experience. So "someone who makes bad choices" could only be inexperienced, not necessarily anything more.

We've had this discussion before.

If a perfect person eats something poisonous, they'll get sick or die. How would they 'automatically know'? Where do you get that from?

Or do you think that a perfect person's excrement would 'smell like roses'?

A perfect person would have perfect wisdom. A young person who doesn't have perfect wisdom would NOT be perfect, by definition. IF I was a PERFECT person I would NOT eat anything poisonous. IF I did eat something poisonous and I get sick and die THEN it would indicate that I wasn't perfect after all.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

A perfect person would have perfect wisdom. A young person who doesn't have perfect wisdom would NOT be perfect, by definition. IF I was a PERFECT person I would NOT eat anything poisonous. IF I did eat something poisonous and I get sick and die THEN it would indicate that I wasn't perfect after all.

Well, so much for "reasoning on sin".

 

[QuestioningMind]

Well, so much for "reasoning on sin".

I'm just responding to your claim that a perfect person can make bad choices. If a person makes a bad choice it is a clear indication that they are not perfect.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

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1) What in your opinion is Sin?


2) What in your opinion would be the opposite of Sin?


3) Is there another term that one could plug into scripture replacing the term 'sin', as an equal term of usage?

1 Sin is an immoral act considered to be a violation of divine law.

2 The opposite of sinning is not sinning.

3 F*cking up is good way of saying it.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

The Christian god is very often and frequently described as omniscient, meaning all knowing. And it's Christians who tend to make this claim.

You can read the spoilers of a movie or not. It won't change the ending.

Omniscient doesn't necessarily required to know everything. Any more than omnipotent means required to do everything.

Let's say you have a security cam in your kid's room. Which is more likely, that you'll have a life and give them some privacy unless they are (a) in danger, or (b) crying in the background? Or that you'll micromanage their lives being like a 24/7 spy? And you had a God who was like a parent, which parent would be cooler? Which God would you prefer to worship, one that gives you a sense of your own life, or a helicopter deity?

And yes, this is about sin, before the topic went into here. So let's extent the metaphor to sin. Which is better, using omniscience to flush out all independent thought (free will gone = lobotomy)? Or leaving things be, having all power but not using it to fix all our problems and not using it to make us mindless slaves?

-Futurama, btw.

Also, for the record, the analogy is actually "being the director, and telling the actors to improvise with a limited script." In short, yeah, God's running... (wait for it) a reality show.

 

[Axe Elf]

1) What in your opinion is Sin?

2) What in your opinion would be the opposite of Sin?

3) Is there another term that one could plug into scripture replacing the term 'sin', as an equal term of usage?

1) "Now sin is the sting of death..." --1 Corinthians 15:56a

As I understand it, the downside (or sting) of death is to be separated from God forever, so sin would be anything that separates you from God (as @Lvcifer Invictvs said early on).

2) If anything that separates you from God is sin, then anything that brings you closer to God would be the opposite of sin.

3) I would think that "separation from God" would be just as useful in most cases.


And of course we don't have free will. I could argue the omniscience angle, but I see that a few people here don't really understand what that word means, so I'll have to try a different tact.

Einstein, among others, has shown us that space and time are not two different things, but that they are actually two different manifestations of the SAME thing--spacetime. Therefore, if God created all of space, He necessarily created all of time as well--every moment is just as structured as every millimeter.

And if that doesn't give pause to these people who want to be their own gods and be in control of their own selves ("God is in control of everything! Well... except ME, of course... I have free will!"), then my next step will be to refer them to the dozens of Bible verses that directly deny free will.

Then we will see how many are willing to deny both science and their own faith to maintain their illusion of free will.