Reasons for believing in the Bible as the literal word of God.

[TLK Valentine]

because.... the whole nation needed to be punished not just pharaoh. it's called justice.

Who would call it justice?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Interesting because when Moses first appeared before Pharaoh, he asked for the Israelites to go out to worship freely. The true God (haShem, I use the word delicately as possible) spoke to Moses and told him to speak to Pharaoh and say that they were to make a three day journey into the wilderness to sacrifice to their God. Pharaoh, of course, did not listen. But the story goes on. Take care, dybmh.

Indeed -- Moses goes to Pharaoh to "Let my people go... but only for three days so we can go out into the wilderness for a ritual... then, we'll all come right back and be good little slaves... pinky swear, so you know I mean it!'

Pharaoh, having not sustained any recent head injuries, didn't believe a word of this. Who would?

 

[dybmh]

How is that justice? I think that is another concept that you do not understand. It was revenge. It is one off the reasons that we know those stories are false, unless you want to claim to believe in an evil God.

When was the last time you read Exodus 1?

 

[Subduction Zone]

When was the last time you read Exodus 1?

It has been a while. But I still know that you are advocating for an evil God.

 

[dybmh]

It has been a while. But I still know that you are advocating for an evil God.

Nope. The answer is in Exodus 1.

 

[dybmh]

Who would call it justice?

I do. How well do you know the story?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope. The answer is in Exodus 1.

No, you simply do not understand your own books of myths or morals either. Revenge is not justice.

You should be glad that Exodus is fiction too. If God exists he is not that evil.

 

[dybmh]

No, you simply do not understand your own books of myths or morals either. Revenge is not justice.

You are not reading my books.

You should be glad that Exodus is fiction too. If God exists he is not that evil.

Whatevs, since you dont seem to know the story, I really don't care about your opinion. You're preaching about some thing I don't care about. Again. Just like bringing some grand canyon pics, when it's irrelevant. Preaching to me about a some story you don't know doesn't matter to me. You seem to think I havent heard these claims before? I know all about it. It's not shocking, it doesn't bother me one bit. Your religion will not tolerate learning what the story actually says.

 

[YoursTrue]

You as well, sincerely

Thank you.

 

[YoursTrue]

Indeed -- Moses goes to Pharaoh to "Let my people go... but only for three days so we can go out into the wilderness for a ritual... then, we'll all come right back and be good little slaves... pinky swear, so you know I mean it!'

Pharaoh, having not sustained any recent head injuries, didn't believe a word of this. Who would?

That's not what the account says. Moses told Pharaoh to let the people go yes, for a few days. Why would Pharaoh trust that? He was a powerful monarch. And was afraid the Israelites would get too strong in his country. But it went further. The Israelites were foreign residents in Egypt and the Pharaoh was suspicious of them. They were growing in size and doing well until he decided to make life very difficult and harsh for them. You might want to read more about it at Exodus chapter 2.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are not reading my books.

They are close enough.

Whatevs, since you dont seem to know the story, I really don't care about your opinion. You're preaching about some thing I don't care about. Again. Just like bringing some grand canyon pics, when it's irrelevant. Preaching to me about a some story you don't know doesn't matter to me. You seem to think I havent heard these claims before? I know all about it. It's not shocking, it doesn't bother me one bit. Your religion will not tolerate learning what the story actually says.

I do, but again, revenge is not justice.

Tell me, can you reason rationally for once?

And don't get mad because you are wrong and do not understand the evidence. I always off to explain to to people.

And unlike you I am not religious.. It is amazing that you actually try to accuse others of having religion when they don't. It seems that you believe that religion is a bad thing.

 

[Audie]

Pharaoh did not change his mind. God overrode Pharaoh's free will and changed Pharaoh's mind for him.

Elsewhere described as the act of a depraved psycho.

And believers in that chant, " god is love".

 

[TLK Valentine]

I do. How well do you know the story?

Well enough to know that knowingly punishing the innocent for the actions of the guilty is a hollow mockery of anything a rational person would call "justice."

 

[TLK Valentine]

That's not what the account says.

Obviously I'm paraphrasing - but Moses does specifically say three days: Exodus 5:3

Moses told Pharaoh to let the people go yes, for a few days. Why would Pharaoh trust that? He was a powerful monarch. And was afraid the Israelites would get too strong in his country. But it went further. The Israelites were foreign residents in Egypt and the Pharaoh was suspicious of them. They were growing in size and doing well until he decided to make life very difficult and harsh for them. You might want to read more about it at Exodus chapter 2.

Common sense (as common as one can achieve in a society where slavery is the norm) is that you DO NOT give your slaves the chance to run off and/or get organized, and Moses was asking for both.

The specific reasons are irrelevant; no leader of a slaveowning society is going to honor such a request.

 

[Audie]

Who would call it justice?

Evidently chridtians do.

Add it to my reasons for rejecting same.

 

[Audie]

Well enough to know that knowingly punishing the innocent for the actions of the guilty is a hollow mockery of anything a rational person would call "justice."

It's psychotic.

 

[metis]

Not to disagree with me but disagree with Jesus as King - Matthew 25:31-34,37 - Jesus does the judging Not any of us.
What is evil about bringing an end to wickedness on Earth - Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-15; 11:18 B
MAN's l-o-n-g history shows it is MAN who has dominated MAN to MAN's injury, MAN's hurt.
If everyone on Earth lived by the Golden Rule then what would conditions on Earth be like ________________

Who did such judging before Jesus?

 

[metis]

because.... the whole nation needed to be punished not just pharaoh. it's called justice.

Even the children?

 

[SkepticThinker]

ya know how atheists on here all kind of have all the same arguments, and kind of all have the same ideas, and no matter what's said they always react the same way, kind of like a repeating record player that keeps skipping?

Complaint about atheists, noted.

I'm pretty sure I've heard you ask this same question, almost verbatim?

And? I'm still waiting for a satisfactory answer. Have you got one?

There's your evidence. All of you are listeing to the same god ( false god/demon/daemon ) which is nothing more than a thought-virus which repeats and obscures and deceives.

Sorry, what?

You will never believe any evidence that's brought, it doesn't matter what it is. Even if real evidence came and started torturing you mentally, and making your life miserable, you still wouldn't believe.

Please don't tell me what I will or won't believe. You don't know me.

I will believe anything that has sufficient and convincing evidence. Just as you probably would. Or anyone else. I am quite capable of changing my mind when I find that the evidence doesn't match up with what I believe. I used to be a climate change denier, many years ago. I thought I had it all figured out. And then I looked at the actual scientific evidence, realized I'd been duped and that I was wrong and then .... changed my mind! So don't even try to tell me that I won't be convinced by evidence when it's the only thing that WILL convince me of something.

It's just that I never actually get any evidence. Just accusations from people like yourself that I don't actually care about evidence and more complaints about things you don't like about atheists.

beyond that: if you really want proof:

I want EVIDENCE.

There are 2 options:

1) You're totally lying about "show me some evidence, and I'll beleive"
2) You are completely self-deluded about your own inability to believe evidence of a demon or an angel

If 1 then you are possessed with a demonic spirit which either condones or encourages dishonesty
If 2 then you are possessed with a demonic spirit which is producing the self-delusion

If both, you're possessed with both.

There you go, you have your proof.

Secret option #3: if you deny it you are possessed with a demonic spirit like a science denier which rejects evidence.

No matter how you slice it: you got a demon.

LOL

 

[SkepticThinker]

FYI: anytime an atheist asks for evidence of God, they are asking for bible quotes and a conversion from their non-belief.

Nope.